On J. Krishnamurti's Work (coming up)

COLLECTION OF CIRCULARS, ETC. BY REZA GANJAVI

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JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI REFERENCES -- Compiled by Reza Ganjavi

JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI REFERENCES -- Compiled by Reza Ganjavi

  • Angelo Gilardino: He taught freely, he taught freedom - he taught lovely, he taught love - he taught beatifully, he taught beauty - he taught simply, he taught simplicity. He was a gift of heavens for humanity.

  • Franz Beckenbauer: I keep a copy of Freedom From The Known by my bedside... you should also read that book.

  • George Bernard Shaw called Krishnamurti "a religious figure of the greatest distinction" and added, 'He is the most beautiful human being I have ever seen."

  • Khalil Gibran: "When he entered my room I said to myself, 'Surely the lord of love has come'."

  • Van Morrison: "I feel the meaning of Krishnamurti for our time is that one has to think for oneself and not be swayed by any outside religious or spiritual authorities."

  • Professor Bohm (associate of Einstein), after meeting Krishnamurti said: “The sky is different; it’s bigger.”

  • Pepe Romero: "He was the essence of love."

  • Henry Miller wrote, "There is no man I would consider it a greater privelege to meet". "I know of no living man whose thought is more inspiring." "There is a name . . . which stands out in contrast to all that is secret, suspect, confusing, bookish and enslaving: Krishnamurti. Here is one man of our time who may be said to be a master of reality. He stands alone..." "[His] language is naked, revelatory and inspiring. . . Instead of an obstacle race or a rat trap, it makes of daily life a joyous pursuit. There is something about Krishnamurti's utterances which makes the reading of books seem utterly superfluous."

  • Aldous Huxley, after attending one of Krishnamurti's talks, confided in a letter, ". . . the most impressive thing I have listened to. It was like listening to a discourse of the Buddha - such power, such intrinsic authority. . . ". " The reader will find a clear contemporary statement of the fundamental human problem, together with an invitation to solve it in the only way in which it can be solved - by and for himself."

  • Times (London), Literary Supplement: "There is nothing vague about Krishnamurti's teaching. It is precise and penetrating."

  • Joseph Campbell: "…I can scarcely think of anything but the beauty and wisdom of my friend(Krishnamurti)..."

  • Deepak Chopra: "Krishnamurti influenced me profoundly and helped me personally break through the confines of my own self-imposed restrictions to my freedom."

  • Joe Lewis, a world Karate champion and student of Bruce Lee said that two of his favorite books are Talking about Think On These Things, and A dialogue w/ K. He said that Bruce Lee applied a great deal of K’s teachings to both martial arts and acting.

  • Atlantic Constitution: 'The author's reasoning is so clear, so straightforward, that the reader feels a challenge on every page."

  • Alan Watts: "A strong ally who awakened responsive chords in me by the freshness of a way of thinking that was quite outside the usual ruts of moral and spiritual teaching."

  • Richmond News-Leader: "Mr. Krishnamurti has written a most revolutionary book. With a sweep as wide as Gibran's The Prophet, he investigates such universals as 'The Individual and Society,' 'Self-Knowledge,' 'Fear,' 'Simplicity,' 'Awareness' and 'Self-Deception.' "

  • Anne Morrow Lindberg: "Krishnamurti's observations and explorations of modern man's estate are penetrating and profund, yet given with a disarming simplicity and directness. To listen to him or to read his thoughts is to face oneself and the world with an astonishing morning freshness."

  • "One of the greatest thinkers of the age" Dalai Lama

  • Time Magazine named K, along with Mother Teresa, as "one of the five saints of the 20th century".

  • The Personalist: "A thought-provoking book, Life Ahead represents a first-hand account of the struggle to transcend human limitations. In its wider context it is an attempt to answer man's gnawing recognition of his own fear and his personal inadequacy."

  • Fairfield Osborn "Education and the Significance of Life expresses clear and untrammeled thinking regarding some of the profound cultural problems of our people."

  • Margueritte Harmon Bro: "Here is the work of a free mind curiously intent on truth without self-interest."

  • Francis Hackett: "Krishnamurti is no other than he seems, a free man, one of the first quality, growing older as diamonds do but the gem-like flame not dating, and alive in these Commentaries (On Living). It is a treasure."

  • Rollo May: These calm searching thoughts of an eastern thinker pierce to the roots of our western problems. A profound and fresh approach to self-understanding and deeper insights into the meaning of personal freedom and mature love.

  • I've read the works of all major Western and Eastern philosophers and in my humble opinion K is the greatest philosopher who ever walked the earth. Reza Ganjavi

  • It's beautiful, expresses thoughts i have, just didn't find the words for them yet. Judith Hess

  • His thought provoking passages are unceasingly everlasting. Jay Evans

  • He was just a freelancer, didn’t belong to any organization, ideology…, just a very intelligent human looking at the problems of living and he had amazing insights into the nature of the mind. Reza Ganjavi

  • K has had a huge impact on my life. I, probably not unlike many of us, was raised very confused. I also suffered from tremendous fears. But much of this has been cleared up by the last quarter century of exposure to K's work. What a relief! Russ Wesp

  • He was the biggest soul that I've ever seen in my life. W. Adelson

  • Maslow was influenced by J. Krishnamurti and wrote an essay based on K's work.

DEEPAK CHOPRA, M.D., AUTHOR.

My first encounter with Krishnamurti was in the mid 1980s. He was giving a lecture at the Felt Forum in Madison Square Garden. lt was a cold wintery morning, there was sleet and snow and a thousand people were waitin9 outside. I was one of them. Krishnamurti spoke for two hours. He was direct, profound and ruthlessly honest. When I walked out the sleet and snow had stopped and there was bright sunshine. For some reason I was feelin9 that the sun was bright and warm because I was feelin9 bright and warm inside. I never met Krishnamurti personal1y although I have been close to many who were close to him and I see the remarkabIe effect this man had on their lives. In my own life Krishnamurti influenced me profound1y and helped me personal1y break through the confines of my own se1f-imposed restrictions to my freedom.

Looking at your website, you obviously are deeply interested in Krishnamurti's teachings. You were very fortunate to have met him in person. I have studied a number of philosophies, but none compare to Krishnamurti. He was a true artist of living.

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John W. Henry, today the owner of the Boston Red Sox and of Boston’s famed Fenway Park, is on the very short short list of the most successful futures raders ever….

JH: Actually, there was a fellow named Jiddu Krishnamurti who was a mentor in this regard. He was an iconoclast who really believed that what is was all that was important – at least with regard to making decisions. If you can put aside what should be, what could be, what ought to be, what would have, could have, should have occurred and just pay attention to what is actually happening, the act of paying attention transforms what is. The greatest action, the wisest, the best action that you can take in almost any situation is to stay with what is, instead of jumping to conclusions or trying to come up with conclusions. Just pay attention. And that has had more of an impact on my trading and my life than any other thing. I only knew him briefly – and “knew” him is probably too strong of a word. I met him and was around him briefly, but he had a major impact on my life.

"It’s not just reading it, you read it, and then it starts. I really like this guy, he’s amazing.”

"Really great book. It describes stuff in a real simple way but really deep and thoughtful, and really makes you think... it's great." Thomas Meister

Dr. Theodore Kneupper, one of the philosophy professors who takes interest in the work of Krishnamurti said the following in a video interview (paraphrased). He recalls meeting K and had a similar experience as I did when I met him.

David Bohm, one of the most profound physicists of the century. He went much further than Einstein, Heizenberg, etc. Most other physicists at the end of their career say “we don’t know what the hell it means – we know it works but don’t ask me what it means. Bohm is one of the few people who tried to make sense out of what modern physics is saying…”. He came across a K book (Awakening of Intelligence) in a bookstore and paged through it and saw K saying the known and the knower are one… a theme K talked frequently about that you are one with what you know – there’s no difference between you and what you know. Bohm thought this is what I’ve come to realize in physics, and he sought K to talk with him. They became very good friends till death… More on this in Youtube video called “Outer Streams Jiddu Krishnamurti, part 5 of 6” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxbaMO_0YA

"I cannot think of a more important thinker in this century than J.Krishnamurti. While Whitehead, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, and Sartre in the West, and Radhakrishnan, Aurobindo, Suzuki, and Fung in the East have all given us very important analyses and syntheses that continue to shed light upon the important issues of the day, there is none, in my estimation, who has penetrated those issues with such depth and simplicity of language as Krishnamurti. His thought will remain a most important source for insight relating to both the intellectual understanding and practical solution of the most important philosophical questions that mankind is facing in this era."

Dr. Ted Kneupper Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania.

“A profound and fresh approach to self-understanding and deeper insights into the meaning of personal freedom and mature love.” Rollo May

"The contact with him changed my life forever and this was the biggest event of my whole life". Ambassador Magda Botez

"Don't accept, if I may suggest, what the speaker is saying. The speaker has no authority whatsoever. He is not a teacher, he is not a guru..." Krishnamurti, London, 1969

Jiddu Krishnamurti

Reza Ganjavi: "Krishnamurti was one of my best friends. He was one of the most passionate and wisest people I ever met. He has touched my life so deeply that I wanted to tell my other friends about him. So I wrote this flyer, not to propagate a personality, but to share something beautiful that I have come across. It is like telling you about a beautiful flower with sweet fragrance down the road. It added perfume to my day.

Krishnamurti was an author/educator/philosopher/psychologist. He died in 1986 at the age of 91. He traveled the world for over 65 years and held public talks, discussions, and private consultations. His work has been compiled into more than 40 books and numerous video and audiocassettes, and translated into almost 50 languages. The titles of his books include Think On These Things, Freedom From The Known, The First And Last Freedom, Life Ahead, The Future Is Now, The Awakening Of Intelligence, On Relationship, Education And The Significance of Life, On Nature And Environment, Beyond Violence, Commentaries On Living, You Are The World, The Wholeness Of Life, and Meditations. His books are used in over 100 universities in America. In 1984, Krishnamurti received a United Nations peace medal.

Krishnamurti does not offer any systems, methods, ideologies, or beliefs. He encourages the listener to question and doubt everything - including what he says - and to find truth for oneself. In his talks and dialogues he explored many issues such as education, freedom, love, awareness, relationship, responsibility, conflict, disorder, self-knowledge, suffering, conditioning, habit, sorrow, greed, psychological time, nature of thought, aloneness and loneliness, observer and observed, dependence, desire, pleasure, death, attachment, fear, energy, change, creativity, insight, order, beauty, meditation, religious mind, and art of living."

One of the five saints of the 20th Century.

~ TIME Magazine

Few modern thinkers have integrated psychology, philosophy, and religion so seamlessly as Krishnamurti.

~ Publishers Weekly

J. Krishnamurti is always fresh, he is always surprising.

~ Sunday Telegraph

For those who wish to listen these books will have a value beyond words.

~ The Observer

Here is a remarkable philosophy of education and peace… Education and the Significance of Life is an excellent book, one that should be read carefully by parents and teachers.

~ Fellowship Magazine

One of the greatest thinkers of the age.

~ HH The Dalai Lama

Krishnamurti is a religious teacher of the greatest distinction who is listened to with profit and assent by members of all churches and sects.

~ George Bernard Shaw

I feel the meaning of Krishnamurti for our time is that one has to think for oneself and not be swayed by any outside religious or spiritual authorities.

~ Van Morrison

In my own life, Krishnamurti influenced me profoundly and helped me personally break through the confines of my own self-imposed restrictions to my freedom.

~ Deepak Chopra

Krishnamurti gave me a great deal to think about, and set me on a quest for something which I scarcely understood.

~ Joseph Campbell

If I could only recommend one book to help improve people's everyday life, just a few pages a day from Krishnamurti's Notebook would be a great investment.

~ Terence Stamp

Hearing Krishnamurti speak was like listening to a discourse of the Buddha… such power, such intrinsic authority.

~ Aldous Huxley

Here is one man of our time who may be said to be master of reality.

~ Henry Miller

I was struck by the great ease of communication with Krishnamurti, which was made possible by the intense energy with which he listened and by the freedom from self-protective reservations and barriers with which he responded to what I had to say. As a person who works in science, I felt completely at home with this sort of response, because it was in essence the same quality as that which I had made in contracts with those other scientists with whom there had been an especially close meeting of minds. And I think here especially of Einstein who showed a similar intensity and absence of barriers in a number of discussions that took place between him and me.

~ David Bohm

Krishnamurti's Notebook, with its matter-of-fact descriptions of Krishnamurti’s almost daily experiences of mystical states, was a privilege to read… This Notebook seems sometimes to paralyse my thought and allow Krishnamurti to work on me on a deeper level.

~ John Cleese

Krishnamurti’s observations and explorations of modern man’s estate are penetrating and profound, yet given with a disarming simplicity and directness.

~ Anne Morrow Lindbergh

More than any other living person, Krishnamurti inspired a consciousness community that transcends the world’s political boundaries.

~ Milton Friedman

A profound and fresh approach to self-understanding and deeper insights into the meaning of personal freedom and mature love.

~ Simon Callow

A clear contemporary statement of the fundamental human problem, together with an invitation to solve it in the only way in which it can be solved – by and for oneself.

~ Aldous Huxley

Krishnamurti’s words offer the intimate spirit of a truly remarkable presence; poetic, gracious, vast like the sky and wonderfully wise.

~ Jack Kornfield

When he entered my room I said to myself, 'Surely the Lord of Love has come'

~ Kahlil Gibran

Krishnamurti’s language is naked, revelatory and inspiring. It pierces the clouds of philosophy which confound our thought and restores the springs of action.

~ Henry Miller

A profound and fresh approach to self understanding and deeper insights into the meaning of personal freedom and mature love.

~ Rollo May

I’m a Krishnamurti guy.

~ Jack Nicholson

60 BOOK TITLES BY J. KRISHNAMURTI

1. Flame of Learning

2. A Timeless Spring (K at Rajghat, India)

3. A Wholly Different Way of Living

4. All The Marvelous Earth

5. Beginnings of Learning

6. Beyond Violence

7. Books in Demand

8. Commentaries on Living 1 st Series

9. Commentaries on Living 2nd Series

10. Commentaries on Living 3rd Series

11. Education & the Significance of Life

12. Eight Conversations

13. Exploration Into Insight

14. Fire in the Mind (w. P Jayakar)

15. Freedom From the Known

16. Freedom, Love and Action (Pocket Edition)

17. In the Light of Silence...

18. Krishnamurti 100 Years (paper back, illus.)

19. Krishnamurti for Beginners

20. Krishnamurti in Greece

21. Krishnamurti On Education

22. Krishnamurti Reader (Penguin)

23. Krishnamurti To Himself

24. Krishnamurti's Notebook

25. Last Talks At Saanen 1985

26. Letters to the Schools Volume One

27. Letters to the Schools Volume Two

28. Meditations (Pocket Edition)

29. Meditations KFI

30. Meeting Life

31. Mind Without Measure

32. On Fear

33. On Freedom

34. On Living and Dying

35. On Love and Loneliness

36. On Mind And Thought

37. On Nature and the Environment

38. Questioning Krishnamurti

39. Reflections on the Self (R Martin)

40. Second Penguin Krishnamurti Reader

41. Talks with American Students

42. The Awakening of Intelligence

43. The Book of Life

44. The Ending of time

45. The First and Last Freedom

46. The Flame of Attention

47. The Flight of the Eagle

48. The Future is Now

49. The Future of Humanity

50. The Impossible Question

51. The Network of Thought

52. The Way of Intelligence

53. The Wholeness of Life (KFI edition)

54. To Be Human

55. Total Freedom: The Essential Krishnamurti

56. Tradition and Revolution

57. Truth and Actuality

58. Understanding Ourselves

59. Washington D.C. Talks 1985

60. You Are the World

"What are you Doing with your Life?" by J. Krishnamurti, Edited by Dale Bick Carlson.

Table of Contents:

Section 1

  • Your Self and Your Life

  • What Are You?

  • What Do You Want?

  • Thought, the Thinker, and the Prison of the Self

  • Insight, Intelligence, and Revolution in Your Life

  • Escape; Entertainment; Pleasure

  • Why Should We Change?

  • What Is the Purpose of Life?


Section 2

  • Self-Knowledge: the Key to Freedom

  • Fear

  • Anger and Violence

  • Boredom and Interest

  • Self-Pity; Sorrow; Suffering

  • Jealousy; Possessiveness; Envy

  • Desire and Longing

  • Self-Esteem: Success and Failure

  • Loneliness; Depression; Confusion

  • Self-Ending--Not Self-Improvement--Ends Suffering


Section 3

  • Education, Work, and Money

  • What Is Education?

  • Comparison and Competition, or Cooperation?

  • Work: How Do You Decide?

  • What Is the Basis for Right Action?


Section 4

  • What Is Relationship?

  • Love; Desire; Sex; Dependency

  • Family and Society: Relationship or Exclusion?

  • Nature and Earth

  • Marriage: Love and Sex

  • Passion

  • Truth; God; Death

  • Meditation Is Attention


Some books on Amazon


http://www.amazon.com/First-Last-Freedom-J-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648317/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050666&sr=1-3&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Freedom-Known-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648082/ref=sr_1_36?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050816&sr=1-36&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Flight-Eagle-Authentic-Discussions-Switzerland/dp/0060916109/ref=sr_1_42?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050879&sr=1-42&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/As-One-Free-Mind-Conditioning/dp/1890772623/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050666&sr=1-4&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Krishnamurti-s-Notebook-J/dp/0060804351/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050666&sr=1-6&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Think-These-Things-J-Krishnamurti/dp/0060801921/ref=sr_1_27?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050816&sr=1-27&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Krishnamurti-Commentaries-Living-ebook/dp/B00433TNUS/ref=sr_1_29?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050816&sr=1-29&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti

http://www.amazon.com/Awakening-Intelligence-Jiddu-Krishnamurti/dp/0060648341/ref=sr_1_32?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1367050816&sr=1-32&keywords=j%2C+krishnamurti


Letters to Nasser Shamim and why I believe he acted cowardly and unprofessionally and should resign from Krishnamurti Foundation Trust (KFT) / Brockwood Park

Letters to Nasser Shamim and why I believe he acted cowardly and unprofessionally and should resign from Krishnamurti Foundation Trust (KFT) / Brockwood Park

January 2021 by Reza Ganjavi

The reasons why I and several others believe he should resign are far wider in scope than his cowardly, immature, unprofessional (non)handling of a communication. The entire topic will be addressed by a task-force.

22 Jan 2021 Message sent through KFT's website

I wanted to make sure Nasser has no excuse to later say he didn't know, wasn't asked, blah blah. I went out of my way to get his side of the story on the Inwoods fiasco, but he unprofessionally, rudely, cowardly, not only didn't respond, but blocked my email Lol...(as they're reportedly done to other people as well). Read below for analysis on why his move reeks of mismanagement, and yet another example of acting, in my opinion, contrary to Krishnamurti's teachings).

To: Mr. Nasser Shamim

Hello Nasser. I sent you an email on 19 December 2020, and a follow up on 8 January 2021. You ignored both emails and didn't have the courtesy to even respond or acknowledge receipt which I asked for. Moreover, not only you ignored the messages, but instead of replying you apparently turned around and had my email address blocked. For the record, that is what happened -- the marvels of your management style! If this is not accurate let me know.

Those two emails are listed below, so you can't say we didn't try to reach you for comments the implosion and disintegration of Inwoods, an important school which was flourishing in line with K's educational philosophy. Not to mention similar fiascos, and alienation of various parties.

I started this totally neutrally, but am of the opinion that it's your mismanagement of the events that led to these unfortunate outcomes. We're still looking at the topic and our inquiry is ongoing. A small reminder: KFT is a charitable Trust and not a private club, and K was a public figure, so questioning certain things that are matters of public interest are welcome, and in your role, you should handle them, instead of shutting the door on it, and then, so unprofessionally (the way you mishandled my inquiry). Do you need a lesson in professional communication? Call me up and I'll give you some free lessons.

Unfortunately that was not an isolated case. KFT also ignored a letter signed by over 40 parents. And so on.

Your decision to block my email was foolish, and showed your apparent fearful and dictatorial style which blocks scrutiny. Getting through such a block is like drinking a glass of water (you understand that Persian expression since you're from Iran).

Lastly, I am not X or Y or Z so be careful about what you say. I will not tolerate lies and slander -- ponder on the Persian saying that the wall has mouse and mouse has ears.

By the way, if you're so unhappy with your salary, why don't you get a job in a brutal competitive environment where you can apply your style. But I doubt even there you can get away with the kind of behavior "management team" has allegedly exhibited on your watch: e.g., bogus "gross misconduct" threats. Bogus, because if they had substance the reply would not have been "we can't tell you". You can only not tell someone what they're being threatened with when the threat is bogus!

With regards to your quoting K, talk is cheap. Read up, ponder, inquire, test his ideas on so many things that are apparently missing from your repertoire -- and which constitute a core of the spirit and values Brockwood was built upon.

If you want to come out of your hiding, call me up and we can chat. Is it possible to live without fear? That's a great challenge K poses.

You can reach me at the email above. You should unblock it -- if I want to email anyone at Brockwood, I have a 100 different options -- even Putin wouldn't try your strategy!

Regards

Reza Ganjavi

8 January 2021 Email

Dear Nasser

Kindly confirm if the message below from 19 December 2020 arrived.

Thanks & Best Regards

Reza

19 December 2020 Email

I sent the following letter requesting a call so as an investigative journalist I get their side of the story. I had a totally open mind but our objective fact checking later gave us the opinion the implosion of Inwoods was a big management screwup -- and related fiascos that are very alarming... instead of answering my email the coward blocked my email address for the entire domain! That's one way of saying "I'm a coward, I don't want to face the facts or answer questions and I'm not professional or polite and civil enough to write and say I don't want or can't answer, so instead I play a coward and block you" -- and that's so contrary to Krishnamurti's teachings which he's entrusted to lead its Trust!

Dear Nasser

Hope all's well and you're keeping healthy in this pandemic. I'm doing well -- super busy -- too busy -- big backlog -- lots of projects...

So definitely not looking for new things to do -- but I've been called on to do some fact checking around certain points that are in the airwaves regarding the Inwoods situation. Given K was a public figure, his work is public, and his organizations seek public funding, what happens there is of public interest.

My objective and interest is to get at the truth -- in the true spirit of philosophy which should be driving all of us who take an interest in K's work. I met him about 15 times including personal contact. He gave me a flower - which symbolizes what his teachings mean, in my heart. As a philosopher (with academic credential/endorsements in the field), and professional business analyst, management consultant, I have a totally open mind about this topic.

I have spoken to a few people familiar with the situation -- very discreetly. I understand you were very involved in the review and subsequent actions. Someone I fully trust said I should speak with you.

I have some concrete questions. I respect if you don't want to or can't answer some of them, but as an old friend of this work, I'd like to ask that we have a call and go through some things -- no pressure at all -- you can tell me what you can, and what you can't, we leave behind.

It's not urgent - so at your convenience. I can set up a zoom call or we use Skype. Looking forward to it.

Best wishes

Reza


LETTERS TO RAMAN PATEL Regarding his role at Brockwood Park School / Krishnamurti Foundation Trust (KFT) / KLI (Friedrich Grohe's "Gang"), etc.

LETTERS TO RAMAN PATEL Regarding his role at Brockwood Park School / Krishnamurti Foundation Trust (KFT) / KLI (Friedrich Grohe's "Gang"), etc.

Several people have reported that Raman appears to be the most powerful person at KFT / Brockwood, yet he's not a staff member, a Trustee, an external staff, and claims he has no official role but he appears to be part of all the centers of power: The Old Boys, The KLI Gang, and appears to be a management consultant as he's often seen with Nasser Shamim though his background as a gardener and cook doesn't seem fit as a management consultant) -- and there's no way Nasser Shamim and Mina Masoumian would have such power without backing from Raman and his clout as part of Big Money (he's on Friedrich Grohe's payroll). And at the same time some fiascos are reported at KFT that smell like huge management screwups, like implosion of a great K school: Inwoods... and alienation of several ex- long term staff / students / supporters / trustees... I reached out to Raman for a conversation since several people pointed fingers at his unofficial yet very powerful role when we inquired about the state of affairs.

January 2021, Reza Ganjavi

23 POINTS TO RAMAN PATEL

Dear Raman

1) Be careful not to fall into the nasty habit of some K places who can’t handle the truth: they try to discredit the messanger in order to discard the message. Also make this very clear to your buddy Nasser, that I am not X, Y, Z – and I have zero tolerance for lies, bogus threats, and slander. I have a lot of friends in these circles and if I hear the old slander trick was used I will act on it. I was too nice to KFA – learned the lesson.

2) My “Fifth Foundation” report which you’re slamming was cherished as a very important artefact that outlined things that were otherwise were being buried, ignored, and not by supreme intelliengence! Several close friends of K and trustee wrote to me thanking for it saying these things were things they wanted to say for a long time but couldn’t.

3) I am interested in truth and reached out to you and others to get your side of the story. Nasser’s response to my call for a dialogue was to block my email. Classy Lol. Now I know that he doesn’t want his side to be understood/examined/questioned – and knowing the facts I now know, I believe the reason for that is not some legal confidentiality excuse, but mismanagement, in my opinion based on several reports from credible sources who do not have a voluntary or coerced NDAs.

4) “were not an original party to” – some people might forget that K was a public figure and his organizations are not private clubs and are answerable to public. Try to grasp that.

5) The “narrative” is based on diligent research – and I even reached out to the “other side” as you know – and parties who have no personal stake in the matter. So the narrative is based on real substance – I didn’t pull it out of thin air.

6) “things you have no understanding of”. I started with having no understanding. I did a ton of research that is ongoing – not just myself, but we have a taskforce. I invited you to have a call since you claim you have understanding of things – so you can enlighten me – that didn’t happen.

7) How could you know all about Inwoods if you didn’t get their side of the story. I guess that was inconvenient! So perhaps it’s you who don’t understand some key facts – in your all-powerful position there’s no reason that should be the case but it is so, probably because it’d be inconvenient. You keep quoting K – yet K spent a lifetime talking about importance of finding truth and you don’t seem to have done that.

8) Raman, your character attack is just supid and wrong. You’re the one going into a convenient pattern of “power centers” that have not acted with nearly supreme intelligence which get engaged in cheapshots. My questions to you have nothing to do with anything else – I think you are mixing things up. Or where did you get your Guruship degree from? All knowing – allowing yourself to arrogantly put yourself in my head and know everything Mr. Omniscient. Be careful – that’s how gurus are made.

9) What are you doing for Friedrich anyway for the salary you’re getting. You haven’t been a missionary because of Covid, so I guess you’re a resident guru now? Consulting people on deep questions of life – be careful it can get into your head – your behaviour exhibits you may be going that direction. And throwing K quotes at people that’s totally out of place. I wrote to you a nice mail a while back and you responded with a totally out of context long K quote because you think in your apparently delusional, arrogant ideas that you know what I need. See, that’s how gurus operate. And also your verbiage – the way you put it – as though you think I need it. Careful Raman for your own sake at least.

10) “which he is totally fed up about” – that’s his problem. There’s a Persian saying that “truth is bitter” doesn’t have to be but it is. There’s another saying “the buck stops at the top” – so when Friedrich sets up an organization, he’s responsible for what happens in it. Perhaps that’s one reason K dissolved Order of Star – and spoke for decades about perils of organizations – and almost dissolved his official organizations too (at least KFI) and wasn’t fond of KFA either as far as I remember. And he’s on record for knowing what happens to organizations – they usually get corrupted. But he wasn’t a usual man or a guru so it’d be a pity to see organizations around him go that direction.

11) “The points in your emails are so incorrect.” – list them out. Let’s see what you came back with listing them:

a. “it was me who hadn’t seen the whole elephant” – it was reported that you had told someone that he is seeing only the trunk of the elephant. How did you know without knowing there’s a whole elephant or are seeing it. How could you have known that if you had not talked to Inwoods about their side of the story. Therefore, I don’t buy your statement, sorry. Perhaps you didn’t analyse it enough yourself to see the implication of your own statement. Again, a guru trait – put the other person down, as though you know and he doesn’t. But it has implications.

b. “emotional reactions” – what emotional reaction specifically? Since you failed to list any specifics, and there are none, and everything I wrote was rationally based, I interpret this as another cheap-shot from you with no substance.

12) “Functional roles are a matter for the parties concerned”. No, in a non-profit, at least in the USA, I don’t know about UK, certain roles need to be officially defined and can’t just be improvised. Also there are strict rules there about roles of donors and what they cannot do.

13) “It is not the business of anyone else to interfere unless invited”. Look, all I asked was what is your role in Brockwood. You said you’re not a trustee or staff member – but you’re there just to give advice on matters of life. So, I asked follow up questions on aspects that didn’t seem to fit your explanations. You can say it’s not my business, but you didn’t in the beginning – only when I scrutinized it because several people have pointed fingers at you and are confused about your role, and think you may be having a far bigger role than providing life advice. And it’s plausible / reasonable to assume that Nasser and Mina would never have such power without being from you via Grohe lineage / having the support of the power / clout / big-money. Plausible

14) “responsibility of the individuals concerned.” If you’re talking about people who were fired from Brockwood – or people who were fedup with the management of the place and left – and saying it’s their responsibility, you got that very very wroing. I guess your lack of education in management science can be a reason that you don’t understand that. Usually postmen, gardeners, cooks don’t have the proper background to assume management consulting roles that reportedly you might have assumed.

15) “not the other way around as you seem to believe” – no I don’t believe the other way around. I know why Friedrich recruited you decades ago and those things you listed were done far after he recruited you so not all of that were the reasons. Sequence of events is an interesting concept.

16) “to assume it is used to manipulate another” Please do not put words in my mouth. I never accused you of manipulating others. Manipulation has a very specific meaning – you may want to look it up.

17) “Brockwood is handled well” – Raman, where are you? The reports are very contrary to what you say and are quite disturbing, and this is why several people couldn’t handle it any more and left. You can’t measure a charitable trust in the same manners as a for-profit business – and don’t forget this is a K place and he had certain clear values, some of which have been apparently thrown out the window. There is a reason many old-timer friends of Brockwood / staff members / teachers / trustees / others are so upset. It’s not random or arbitrary.

18) “Krishnaji: who will hold the place together” – he answered it himself: affection, and applying the teachings. Both seem to be missing in some of the reports we have from some stakeholders. We’re researching and analysing these deeply because we are interested in truth.

19) “genuine questions are always received in good faith” – are you kidding? How about a letter signed by almost 40 parents that was outright ignored – not even the courtesy to answer! Give me a break! You know what K said about ignorance…

20) Raman, you lied about what I purportedly wrote about Stream Garden. I never wrote such a thing. You're making it up. Only things I wrote about it was posting a link to their promotional video in one of my 2013 circular (with no comment). And a quote about it by LC Wong in my 2012 circular. I don't appreciate you making up fake things about my writings. Lying is not cool! Especially when it's used to try to discredit me with a fake argument. You can do better Raman!

21) Raman, you wrote about management team and the "core staff" and that it's a "thankless job".

a) By "core staff" I assume this means "non core staff", externals, etc. are not doing a great job? A letter that circulated from an insider complained about this very thing: the division of internal and external in a very strange way. I've worked in many professional organizations that included internal and external staff -- I was often an external as a freelance program/project manager etc. -- let me tell you from a ton of experience that in most successful settings, there's NO DIVISION between internal and external staff even though one may be on direct payroll (internal) or external. I recall from direct experience and reports from others that Brockwood used to be like that but there are newer reports of a division. Your "core" comment therefore raised an alarm.

b) Thankless job? What do you expect? Bouquet of flowers? Let me tell you from experience "out there" that real-world jobs are "thankless" -- you get paid to do a job -- of course, thanking/motivating/etc., is part of good management practice -- so if staff at Brockwood feel unmotivated and not thanked, and that they should be, that's a management issue. If the management team itself feels not thanked, well let's look: We're talking about Nasser, Mina, Antonio and Bill. As far as I know Bill and Antonio have received perks from Friedrich Grohe or his KLI -- which you're a part of -- in form of travels etc. -- so all that can be considered as "thanks".

Nasser and Mina, I can only judge from a distance that they came for 6 months and secured their position for 6 years so far in a very strong position of power -- and the relationship to the Board in terms of power structure raises questions in some people familiar with the dynamics -- and, they're getting a salary.

I've never gotten a job expecting to be thanks. If Nasser feels he's not being thanked, and he's unhappy about his salary (which he's complained about comparing it with funding for a building!! What a bad comparison -- he reportedly quotes K often but perhaps he forgot the discourses on problem of comparison / measurement) maybe he should get a better job where he can get more thanks and more money. That's not anybody else's problem.

c) "people can’t wait to target them". Hello! People have better things to do than targeting KFT/BP. Investigating Brockwood/KFT's Inwoods fiasco and related matters was nothing something I looked for or even preferred to get engaged in. Certainly it wasn't something I "couldn't wait"!! Everyone else I know, including the task-force members are in the same shoes.

I don't think you understand the gravity of what you're talking about, and are trying to discard it with extremely weak and untrue arguments like "people can’t wait to target them. I assure you I started with a totally open mind and among first things I did was to reach out to the other side. But by now it's very clear to me, that the scrutiny KFT-Trustees/Management-Team/Big-Boys/Grohe's-KLI are subject to is legitimate, and nobody is engaged in it for fun or heck of it.

22) You say things are well run. Was Inwoods well run? Did you look into it? I can tell you from many reports that it was absolutely well-run. We have yet to find a single issue that has merit from everything I looked at -- but we're still looking. We have however come upon a bunch of rumors/hearsay and other unfounded false accusations like it was a cult -- it wasn't -- there's no evidence of it having been a cult. Another question: was the handling of Inwoods that led to the disintegration / implosion of a great school managed correctly? We don't think so, and therefore, that's just one example that negates what you say about how rosy things are. The impact on the kind of behavior that led to Inwood's implosion and other cases, may point out disturbing potential threats to the spirit and values the place was built on.

Best wishes to you. And try to reduce your exposure to RF-EMR.

Reza

16 Jan 2021

Dear Raman

I think you've chosen to ignore the last email I sent you -- so I give it one last try. I like to have a call with you to go over some things. At the request of some long-term friends of K's work who are deeply concerned, and upset about the way KFT/Brockwood Park has handled the Inwoods fiasco and similar situations, I am researching this entire topic.

Of course I am after the truth and that's why I reached out to see your side of the story, to see the whole elephant and not just the trunk, to use an analogy you used on someone whom you alleged to not be seeing the whole elephant (of the Inwoods fiasco which he was deeply troubled about along with 93% of the parents who quit, and many others who cannot understand the mismanagement that led to this disastrous implosion of a great and rare K school that had taken over 20 years to delicately build), implying that you do see the whole elephant, while in reality, reportedly, you didn't even seek the Inwoods' side of the story.

So it's plausible that you were the one who was seeing it only through the biased eyes of the "Old Boys", "Management Team", Friedrich Grohe's KLI "The Gang" as he has called them -- three subgroups you reportedly belong to or are very cozy with in your official and "unofficial" duties. So apparently you were preaching about seeing the whole elephant, yet looking only at the trunk yourself, which is hypocritical!

On the other hand, I am indeed interested to see the whole elephant... I think I almost see it, given consistent and sensible testimonies from several people -- not necessarily direct victims of the ugly brutal things that have no place in a K school -- like alleged bogus threats to charge people with "gross misconduct" (and reply of "we can't tell you" what the poor person is being accused of, which essentially means, we lied, there's no such gross misconduct, we're just making it up and saying it to intimidate you).

I'm not saying that you said this but you're reportedly very cozy with the Management Team (who's reportedly/allegedly pulled this off on multiple people) -- half of whom (Antonio Autor, Bill Taylor) are part of your "Old Boys" groups (Raman Patel, Derek Hook, Antonio Autor, Bill Taylor) and have gotten perks from the Big Money you supposedly represent (I don't think Raman Patel, without being an employee of Friedrich Grohe would ever have as much power); and the other half, you brought to Brockwood for a 6 month study but they ended up staying 6 years in a position of near-ultimate power... which would probably have been impossible, had it not been for their support and backing by the "long arm of Big Money", Mr. Raman Patel -- and some apparently woefully mismanaged things that followed in a manner that had never been imagined in the history of Brockwood or K's work (in our opinion, very contrary to the teachings of Krishnamurti).

Very similar to what happened at KFA which in my opinion took it to a new low, with the engagement of the other "long arm of Big Money", your pal, Rabindra Singh and the fiascos we've witnessed by Jaap Sluijter in similar power games (details will be published in due time), which again would have been impossible had it not been for the support of "Big Money". You and Rabindra have been on Friedrich Grohe's payroll, and I have no idea what you do for the money you get.

Mind you, both KFT and KFA are non-profit, tax-exempt, charitable organizations that solicit public funding -- they're not private clubs, and what happens there is a matter of public concern, especially given the highly public profile of their founder.

Nobody would normally care -- to each his/her own, but in this case, all this is set up around the work of J. Krishnamurti who is no longer with us physically but some of us met him and have studied his teachings deeply for many years and we feel a responsibility to at least call it out when we see things being done in his organizations which appear totally contrary to the kind of spirit he dedicated his life to promoting.

Kind Regards

Reza

On 12/21/20 11:48 PM, Réza Ganjavi wrote:

Dear Raman

You see one thing leads to anther Your Brockwood email address led to this thread...

You wrote that you've been asked to provide consultations for mature students temporarily and that's why you have a Brockwood email address. And that "I have no official role at brockwood in any capacity, organisationally or otherwise. However, when requested, I do happen to meet with individuals who may want to explore issues of life."

So your only "official" role is with mature students.

1) What are your non-official roles?

Reason for asking is because I've been researching a topic and your name has come up repeatedly as the most influential person at Brockwood. Yes, you have no official role. You're not an internal staff member or trustee, or external employee, yet you reportedly sporadically attend trustee meetings, attend management meetings, and the topics discussed in these meetings are not just "issues of life".

When someone is noted as most influential -- and he says he has no official duty -- it naturally raises the question, of what is the person's unofficial duty.

2) Are you in these powerful unofficial roles as Friedrich's representative?

3) Or representative of KLI?

Thanks for clarifying.


Best wishes

Reza


Response to Bill Taylor

Response to Bill Taylor

Dear Bill

Yes such problems can exist in any organization. I have worked for umpteen organizations, private, public, non-profit, international, in a variety of sectors, and where there are people there are politics and problems.

However, Brockwood is not, or should not be, an ordinary organization -- given it's the vision of one of the greatest people who walked this earth. As you well know, K's vision is unique, his demands have been clearly documented, and his ethos of the highest standards.

All those have been thrown under the bus in the last years. The testimonies are very consistent and they portray extremely unethical conduct.

You have been at the center of this scandal if one can call it that -- unfortunately. You're part of the "Old Boys", part of the Management Team, very close to Mr. Grohe and his "Gang", and you have reportedly been present where grave injustice has been done and you did nothing about it. So at a minimum you're going with the flow.

I was not optimistic that you'd want to talk about this -- but since it was suggested, I took a chance. Your response is very troubling and testifies how deeply engraved you are in the problem: "why not assemble complaints from the full 52-year span of Brockwood’s history". You and I both know that what has happened in the last few years is at a new low and very different than the past.

How many times in your 36 years there, management fired someone, threatening them that if they don't sign the settlement agreement and agree to the terms, they you would charged with "Gross Misconduct", and when the poor chap asked why, the response was "we can't tell you" (because there was no gross misconduct -- it was just a fabricated lie). I don't know if you grasp how unethical this is. And that has reportedly happened at Brockwood -- more than once. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

When you say everything is ok -- I am sure it is not so if you use K's standards for what OK means. He spent a lifetime talking about the importance of truth. When Brockwood management lie through one's tooth as we have credible indication of, things are not ok. Again, these are the tips of the iceberg.

By the way, this is not "my project". I didn't start this project. But one of the habits of the rotten status quo which has infested some of the K organizations, is to personalize things and try to discard the message by discrediting the messenger. Such cunning moves, and lies, and so on are fully at play as consistently demonstrated through the testimonies we have -- and that's far from ok. Perhaps for you by now mediocrity is ok. K had a very different vision.

Take care

Reza

PS-- this might be interesting for you Bill since I heard the level of pollution at Brockwood is quite high and kids are recklessly put in wireless harm when wired option is easily available:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB02xHWLmco


On 5/13/21 1:47 PM, Bill Taylor wrote:

Dear Reza

...


Dear Bill


Jean Michel suggested that I speak with you. We know you're in a

sensitive position. But we both like you :) and he thought you could be

helpful in this tough topic we're dealing with.


We have a vast number of very disturbing testimonies about Brockwood

management and are weighing our options. Would love to discuss with you.

If you're available on phone please send me your number and a good time

to call.


Thanks & Kind Regards

Reza

"The Fifth Foundation" – a look at a powerful, unofficial organization set up around J. Krishnamurti’s work

"The Fifth Foundation" – a look at a powerful, unofficial organization set up around J. Krishnamurti’s work

by Reza Ganjavi (www.rezamusic.com)

(c) This document is copyright Reza Ganjavi and may not be reproduced in whole or part without written consent of the author.

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REMARKS REGARDING THE WEB-VERSION -- Sep 22, 2007

Since its original publication a few minor modifications have been made:

1. Paragraph eliminated regarding Kinfonet's relationship with KFA. Before publication Mark Lee said "We've given up on Kinfonet". Afterwards he said they're working with Kinfonet but slowly.

2. Added a few more comments received from people who are familiar with this story under the section : "Some Responses To This Document". The majority of the responses I received directly were positive including from trustees and some said thank you for saying something we saw for a long time but couldn't say anything. Two negative reactions came from 2 people who receive perks from Friedrich. Michael Krohnen provoked Friedrich and scolded me for years over this document without EVER pointing out a single fallacy, error, misrepresentation etc. -- Gisele Balleys reacted negatively and when I asked her if she'd read it she said no! The more studious types took the time to read the document before reacting. It is not surprising that this happens but it is unfortunate because it is polarizing and creates division and this kind of movement leads to exactly what I warned about: isolating a benevolent man by encouraging him to ignore a message by attempting to discredit the messenger. And the entity which is under question in this document finds strength in the light of a fabricated opposite.

3. To the disappointment of some, Friedrich and I are still friends. We've talked about this and I believe he understands this is not an attack on him but an observation on how the activities around him were conducted -- I firmly believe things improved as a result of this and other feedback they've received. Undoubtedly, Friedrich has done a lot of good for K's work. This document does not serve and was not intended as an attack on him, and only highlights some of the inconsistencies and contradictions that could occur in anybody's work. Friedrich is one of the few people I know who's studied K's work deeply. We don't always agree on everything but we always have plenty of things to talk about because we share a deep interest in this work and have always had a synergestic loving time together.

3. New sections added: "Infrequently Asked Questions" which addresses some questions that were hardly asked but they were "in the air" so I thought I'd let it tell its story.

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Preface

Introduction

The Official Work

KLI, Kinfonet, The Link

KLI: Another organization built around K

Background

KLI’s Mission, Duplication of Effort, Contradictions, Future

Causes for concern

The misconception that K’s teachings are incorruptible

Lots of words

Kinfonet

KLI’s web presence

Reckless use of K’s name: “Krishnamurti Dialogue”?!

Kinfonet: An Interpretation Engine

Competition with the official Foundations

“Not-for profit”?! Using K for business

Promoting K-Bashing Books: Sloss

Promoting K-Bashing Books: Ravindra

Need to justify existence

What’s next for Kinfonet?

The Link

Origins of The Link

Apparent contradiction in purpose

Discussion with a Link editor over K-bashing articles

Persuasive design; Non-captive audience; 1-yr-delay rebuttals

Appendix – Note on “Saanen”

Epilogue

Addendum1: Some responses to this document

Addendum2: Infrequently Asked Questions

Addendum3: Related Updates

Preface

This is a document that I really didn’t want to write and not wanting to do so, it took forever to write it. For years I’ve been pointing out things to a group of people – referred to herein as the “fifth foundation” (vs. the four official foundations) – who’ve set themselves up as an organization around Jiddu Krishnamurti's ("K") work – about certain aspects of their activities – and over the years nothing but superficial reactive changes have come about in the way they handle those activities.

Despite all the good work it’s done, this unofficial yet financially powerful organization has exhibited a lack of intuition, carefulness, sensibility, clear mission, and regards that K’s teachings are precious and need to be handled with care, that sometimes less is more. It is an irony that on the one hand their founder is a very good man, a great man, an amazing powerful person in his gentleness and humility, with a keen interest in K’s work and one who’s been incredibly kind and generous in helping the official foundations and schools, yet, he is either cut off from some the realities of what he supports, or he does not take K’s warnings about dangers of organizations seriously.

The straws that broke the camel’s back were the interpretations of K’s work that appeared in Kinfonet’s last year’s circulars and another article in The Link spreading confusion, discrediting K, and deterring new comers from exploring this work. And I could see how these movements could have a negative impact and in some cases be absolutely contradictory to what I understood of K saying. What also made writing this article difficult was the unsolicited information I received from credible sources with regards to aspects of this fifth foundation which the sources were hesitant to tell the founder – why? I do not know, except looking at it through the eyes of history and human tendencies.

Speaking about tendencies, given humanity’s track record, K’s work is probably going to get distorted and misinterpreted and abused in due time, but it’s too early. The man has only passed away about 20 years ago and his work deserves to be handled with care. I found this memo to be the only way to get these points across after trying every other way. At the very least I’ve stayed true to my professional management consulting background and communicated this chapter of observations and ideas for whatever it is or isn’t worth. This is purely a personal work and I did not spend the time to make it into publication quality. It was not intended to be a service or revelation to the official foundations because they probably are already aware of what's discussed here, and it was not written in order to gossip or get pleasure. It was done to document certain facts and opinion.

Introduction

Jiddu Krishnamurti (“K”) devoted his life to speaking about fundamental questions of existence. Although his work may not be readily accepted in academic curriculums but due to the immense depth of his inquiries and insights, his work is well respected within various disciplines by academics and professionals who have taken a personal interest in it, as well as people of various religions and walks of life.

K did not start a new religion and warned against the tendency of those who might want to turn his work into a new religion. His work is not some sort of a cult or dogmatic belief system, or any system for that matter despite the fact that it can be looked upon systematically as Professor Hilary Rodriguez has done in his fine book: “Krishnamurti's Insight: An Examination of his Teachings on the Nature of Mind and Religion”.

K also warned time and again against interpreters, authorities and hierarchies that may come about or be setup around his work. I don’t think he ever said: don’t setup a business around my work, but that maybe just common sense given his attitude toward the subject as I understood it.

Since K’s death, a new organization has been formed around his work which has done a lot of good work but has also acted recklessly with regards to handling the work. Given its financial power, the reckless acts of this “foundation” are cause for alarm, especially in the long term. This article take a current snapshot of the organizations that have been setup around K, officially, the four Foundations, and semi-officially, “the Fifth Krishnamurti Foundation”, comprising, KLI, Kinfonet, The Link, and a very brief look at the “Saanen Gathering”.

The Official Work

As I read K’s discourses, listened to him in person and on recordings, read through the biographies, and talked to people who were close to him and lived with him, I gathered that he was not keen on organizations setup around his teachings. In his early years he dissolved a very powerful, rich, and big organization which he was made the ahead of, and went his own way, detached from any affiliations. Of course, people were upset at that time because they realized they had to do the work themselves instead of relying on a guru to do the work for them.

Later, minimal organizations were set up to take care of preservation and dissemination of his work (e.g. archival, publications). Yet, the idea of dissolving one or more of these organizations occurred to K from time to time as documented in the biographies, till the last days of his life. (The notion of minimal organization ought to provide guidance for those who want to expand organizations around K).

Today, there are four official Foundations: KFA (USA), KFT (UK), KFI (India), and KFL (Latin-America). These are non-profit charitable entities and some also oversee and run schools and study centers. In the last 21 years since K has passed away, these organizations have gone through a great deal of refinement and change, and are lean, cohesive, minimal organizations with dynamic boards of directors fit to act in accordance to a clear mission. The following are a few comments about these official organizations based on my limited observation:

- The KFA (USA) has a very competent leadership team including such astute and wonderful people as Evelyne Blau, Mary Zimbalist, Dr. Frode Steen, Craig Walker who’s recently joined the board as Secretary, Tom Heggestad, and others..

- The Oak Grove School (USA) has gone through its own history of ups and downs but is now flourishing. There are several long term teachers and staff members at the school who are delights to have around – you know, the kind of teachers that you adored and loved as a kid – like Karen Hesli and Linda Lambert – as well as Paul Herder, a wonderful musician and educator.

- KFT (UK) includes an outstanding team of trustees and editors including Ray McCoy, David Skitt, the writer, broadcaster, and long term friend of K: Mary Cadogan, musician and entrepreneur: Derek Hook, and a topnotch administrator: Donna Broughton.

- Brockwood Park School (UK) has Bill Taylor, another superman, in its leadership team, and many flowers among the staff such as Yannick Bennoit, Trevor Pemberton, Dr. Bridget Thomson, Lorenzo Castellari, and several others. The school has faced many challenges over time but is now booming and continues to deliver holistically-educated humans to the society.

- It has been some time since I have been to India but run into Indian trustees from time to time, such as good friends, Dr. Satish Inamdar and Professor P. Krishna. I gather that some of the Indian schools continue to face the challenge of finding teachers who are not only competent academically, but also have a keen interest in exploring the challenges set forth by K.

In summary, the official foundations and schools are in good hands.

KLI, Kinfonet, The Link

KLI: Another organization built around K

Background

Since K’s death, an organization, apart from his official foundations, has been built up around his work, one that I here refer to as the “fifth foundation”, although that is not its official name and I am not claiming that it is legally a “foundation”, nor that the described components are legally one entity – it is an organization best known as “KLI” (“Krishnamurti Link International”) which has apparently set itself up to fulfill K’s reported (no reference available to the author) desire for international collaboration between the official organizations (which is happening anyway). KLI’s founder noted recently: “I have been thinking again about K's statements that the Foundations are one and that the Schools and Centres and so on should be international. He put a great deal of emphasis on this.”

The founder, a very generous and good man, was very close to K during the last few years of K’s life (we met K the same year). He is an avid student of K’s teachings and has taken a genuine, deep interest in exploring and sharing it. He’s been instrumental in helping a number of charitable causes. We’ve been friends for many years and walked many trails together, and I love him like my father. Although he is quite wealthy, having had a good job and career of my own, I never had an eye on his money and this might have been one reason I was able to tell him things directly whilst others might have viewed open communication as putting potential donations at risk.

Aside from its charitable and other K related activities, the fifth foundation publishes a free magazine (The Link), and supports an organization that runs websites that are engaged in business and various activities around K (Kinfonet & Pathless).

KLI’s Mission, Duplication of Effort, Contradictions, Future

Over the years KLI has produced various statements of purpose, the latest being: “The general intention of KLI’s work is to make Krishnamurti’s teachings more accessible and to facilitate further engagement with them.”

Further, “KLI’s current activities include: publication of The Link; liaison with and support of Krishnamurti Foundations, Schools, Centres, Committees and related projects; facilitating contact between interested groups and individuals internationally; subsidising archival work and the distribution of authentic Krishnamurti material; supporting the Krishnamurti Information Network website (www.kinfonet.org); and assisting the investigation into Krishnamurti’s views on education”.

It’s interesting that most of these roles are those of support, which I assume is financial support, and some, if not all of these activities are already carried on by the official foundations, except for publishing of The Link, and supporting of Kinfonet. Without going into the details, a simple examination of KLI and Kinfonet vs. the present and prospective work of the official Foundations quickly reveals that there is plenty of redundancy and duplication of effort, with the difference that the work that the official foundations are doing is far superior in its quality and clarity of mission.

There are also clear contradictions within the activities of KLI, especially with regards to those roles other than support, i.e. Link and Kinfonet. As the following discussion will demonstrate, the risks associated with this organization, in terms of their interpretation, giving power to K bashers, doing business around K, and careless use of his name, outdoes their benefits minus the financial support.

And it just seems like common sense that such an organization is not needed to carry on the benefits of financial support while the official foundations, fit and refined over the years, are in the best position to allocate and utilize such support if that financial power is left in their arms after the fifth foundation’s founder has passed away, instead of, having a group of organized folks with less than careful actions, and less than clear intension in charge of a huge resource that is currently competing with the foundations in certain ways and is contradicting the founder’s intension as described above, and doing so, while the founder is still alive and keeping the group at bay!

In summary, the author humbly suggests that KLI should set itself up to dissolve upon the passing away of the founder, or before, and have its resources go to the official foundations (donate its funds to the official foundations and maybe even integrate its staff to work under the auspices of the foundations).

Such a move may seem grand due to all that's gone into building this fifth organization, but it’s not bigger than the dissolution of the Order of the Star of the East! I would have full trust in the official foundations to use the funds wisely for carrying out activities according to their charter. I can not speak for K but from what I understood of his attitudes, I would think that he doesn't need a fifth foundation. He barely put up with four.

Causes for concern

It seems that while the intentions of its founder and his entourage are good, there is a degree of recklessness in the activities of the fifth foundation which are cause for concern, specially, in light of:

  1. a) what I heard K describe regarding perils of organizations that maybe setup around him;

  2. b) our track record as humans in dealing with the legacy of noble minds;

  3. c) the tremendous financial power of the fifth foundation coupled with its sometimes careless attitude;

  4. d) apparent attitude of the fifth foundation that more is better, whereas often it is less that is more, when it comes to handling the extremely precious;

  5. e) apparent contradiction in purpose within the fifth foundation and in its relationship to the official foundations;

  6. f) duplication of effort and competition with the official foundations, however unintentional or as result of reckless behavior;

  7. g) isolated, sometimes non-transparent, non-communicative style of parts of this organization;

  8. h) appearance that some important concepts that ought to be intuitive are not so to some of the folks involved and therefore concern about long term decisions and actions of a powerful organization; when a person or an entity is missing the necessary intuition and need to rely on feedback to act properly / react, they might seem unfit for the task, could do worse later, or maybe the task itself is superfluous;

  9. i) possible lack of information flow or clarity thereof, to the founder;

  10. j) potential conflict of interest when some of the founder's entourage and support recipients are tightly linked to an official foundation;

  11. k) prospects for the future, and consequences of the a reckless momentum when the founder is no longer alive.

I have discussed some of these concerns with them to the best of my ability, in a spirit of friendship, but there seems to be a wall. One of the subjects we discussed which I think is important in shaping their attitude is the following:

The misconception that K’s teachings are incorruptible

There seems to be an unfortunate misconception among some people that K’s teachings had its own intrinsic protection. He might have referred to this himself at some point but possibly within a certain context and maybe not as an absolute (I have no concrete reference for this). People that I talked to who were quite close to him about this subject tend to refer to his concerns about the possibility of spoilage. And it's common sense that even if it existed, we cannot expect some esoteric protection to be a carte blanche. In fact, several documented statements of K which were made within the context, testify to the contrary:

"The Foundations will see to it that these teachings are kept whole, are not distorted, are not made corrupt..." Time and again he emphasized, for example, that interpreters distort.

One of his close friends, Mr. Asit Chandmal, with whom I spoke not long ago, recalls a conversation with K a few days before his death:

"The storm passes on Friday, February 14. I speak to Krishnaji that day. I say, 'All your life you have helped others, you have been concerned about others. You have helped me all my life. May I ask you, if it is at all possible, can I help you?... ' He listens with his eyes closed.

He opens them, smiles and says very seriously, 'Don't let anyone spoil the teaching.'”

Don’t let anyone spoil the teachings”. That statement implies that he might have thought that the teachings are spoilable. That would not be surprising since humanity has had a strong track record of spoiling great teachers’ works, and doing exactly contrary as such teachers wished. This is indisputable history. This is our track record as humans, the momentum / force of habit in our consciousness. It seems to me that the official foundations are far more aware of this than the fifth foundation.

Lots of words

There seems to be an underlying value in the fifth foundation, promoted by the apparent group mentality, that a lot of words are a good thing. That’s the first impression I had of the Kinfonet owners when they first came into the picture: lots of words but not enough depth – my mind was boggled at the time as to how shallow it all can get despite so many words. Same thing with some of the Link’s editors: as long as I’ve known them, they tend to get thrilled by impressive, verbose things without the level attention to quality which dealing with this work deserves. It seems that no great effort is put into discerning the quality of the arguments, or their consequences which can be serious in light of the organization’s strong distribution resources.

Before he passed away in his 90’s I used to visit Albion Patterson, an old-time friend, scholar, trustee, and housemate of K’s. He used to say, from time to time, that in these circles, there is too much talk, and not enough study, which has proved to be true over the years.

Kinfonet

KLI’s web presence

Kinfonet runs websites, out of Hawaii, comprising of a discussion board, bookshop, classified ads, etc., and it distributes a periodic newsletter, solicits donations as a “non profit” and archives The Link (web searchable and retrievable). Although Kinfonet is claimed to be a separate entity than KLI, it is supported by KLI and seems to be tightly knit with it. The author believes this close association with KLI has been significant in shaping the attitude of Kinfonet and has emboldened it to handle activities around K’s works carelessly in ways that no other unofficial organization would venture.

It also appears that Kinfonet sought to fill a gap in web-presence, which later the official foundations caught up / are catching up with and the official foundations have done a much better job at it.

Reckless use of K’s name: “Krishnamurti Dialogue”?!

Kinfonet abused K’s name in hosting the sometimes most obscene discussions while entitling it as “Krishnamurti Dialogue”. Such associations dilutes K’s name and work negatively. I believe there was no malice involved in this, but that it was just a case of recklessness, carelessness, and lack of common sense which is quite alarming when they’ve apparently taken upon themselves to be a significant “service” related to K, and acting while they’re supported by such a strong entity as KLI – strong, both financially and politically.

It took me 1.5 years, and it was like pulling teeth, to get Kinfonet to remove the words "Krishnamurti" from these pages marked with huge letters as "KRISHNAMURTI DIALOGUE" which absolutely had nothing to do with K and on the contrary, were quite vulgar at times. I am too shy to print some of the content that was printed under that heading. And all that was associated with K. The long length of time it took testifies to their level of responsiveness.

Kinfonet: An Interpretation Engine

"The teachings view conflict as an ever-present factor in the mind and not something that intermittently overshadows our daily life." (Kinfonet’s interpretation). Anotherwords, the Kinfonet guys are saying: ‘not that this is how we understand it, but that this is how the teachings are, this is what K meant to say’ – commentaries and interpretations of the teachings appeared in almost every monthly issue of the Kinfonet circular (e.g. article titled “Human all too human”). Moreover, often they would take direct quotes from K and intermingle them with their own interpretation to the point that even some old time friends of K / trustees were not able to tell which was K’s writing and which was Kinfonet’s. And the quality of the interpretations were sloppy – they tended to take one phrase within one context and assume it’s absolute and tell the reader this is what K meant: it reminds me of a band I saw last night that played renditions of hit songs but very poorly at least because they smoked too much (I joined them for a number on vocals and the audience went nuts because the band woke up J).

I believe they received feedback to this matter – which should have been totally intuitive to begin with. Lack of such intuition or insight or care is a cause for concern specially given the kind of presence these guys are promoting through their advertising and circulars and the kind of backing they have: of a very powerful entity, financially and otherwise, KLI. Such an insight should come to anybody with some common sense who bothered studying a fraction of K’s work where you could not miss the message that was being put across with regards to the perils of interpretation as applied to his work. K didn’t say this once or twice, he said it a gazillion times over the years, and somehow for the Kinfonet guys to miss this is quite strange, but given the business they’ve set up, maybe it’s not so strange. To get donations, funds, and be somebody you’ve got to do something – so you start interpreting … put this in historical perspective in case you haven’t seen any cause for concern yet, and ask yourself where is this going in 20 years?

After the feedback they received, which should not have been necessary to begin with, in their latest issues they’re now adding a disclaimer with regards to their interpretations but the fact is they continue to interpret and therefore distort. As one long term friend of K put it, in relationship to the Kinfonet editorials, “interpretation of K’s work is not necessary”.

Competition with the official Foundations

Kinfonet competes with the official foundations at least for “clicks” on online advertising. On numerous occasions I have seen that every time there is an advertisement for KFA or KFT, Kinfonet’s bookshop “pathless.com” is advertising right beside them, competing for visitors – my impression based on this observation is that Kinfonet may have a bigger advertising budget than the official foundations which would not be surprising.

“Not-for profit”?! Using K for business

Kinfonet solicits donations of funds and books for resale based on the notion that it is a “not-for-profit endeavour” / a “non-profit service”. And goes on to explain that their proceeds are reinvested into the business. But it is not referred to as a business because it’s supposed to “help increase public awareness of the works of Jiddu Krishnamurti”. This is an organization whose nonprofit status I could not locate in the official registries I looked at in July 2007; that solicits donations in the name of K including books that it resells; that justifies calling itself a non-for-profit because it reinvests its proceeds (empires too have been built by reinvesting revenues), and because it has intension to publicize K’s work (and they have not stated they’re registered as non-profit) while their publicity effort has at times included promoting anti-K material.

Promoting K-bashing Books: Sloss

For a while Kinfonet was promoting Sloss’s book on the main page of one of its sites for every visitor to that site to see. I read the book when it first came out, got out of it that K was a human which I already knew, and got out of it that this woman has some serious logical flaws in her arguments, and apparently old ax to grid, perhaps related to her father (Rajagopal)’s relationship to K which K once referred to as having been like putting your money in the bank and the banker claiming it as his (I heard in the most recent biography of over 800 pages which I just ordered and have not read yet, that documents have been revealed that Rajagopal had bought numerous houses. . . ). This book does everything it can in a logically inconsistent and poor way to bash K; and Kinfonet was giving it free publicity just to make some money – that’s what bookshops do. In fact, I called them up and asked them about this and they said just that – that they’re a business that buys and sells books.

Promoting K-bashing Books: Ravindra

Another terrible book they’re featuring (yet not promoting like they did on their main page) is Mr. Ravindra’s “Two Birds on One Tree” – one of the few awful books written about K which on one hand puts him on a pedestal and on the other hand shoots him down with gossip at its worse. I wrote a point-to-point review of the book years ago and this year met Mr. Ravindra for the first time in Ojai and attended one of his talks which was quite boring, and extremely revealing – I am reminded of Mary Lutyns in her K biography referring to those who burn by being too close to the sun. It is an interesting and yet sad subject of how someone can be around this work for so long, be a personal friend of the teacher, and not have a clue. This is not a judgment – when people talk you listen and when they admit to things, you don’t have to judge it. It’s a long story – self-pity, oh, this poor little self who does not understand. . . I have enough material, having read another one of his recent books, to write a separate article later. It’s as though K came and went, and he’s completely ignored – this is how extremely strong the power of tradition is, and Mr. Ravindra is right in it as apparent by what he says.

Kinfonet’s feature page of this book quotes Mr. Ravindra calling K’s work of fifty years “partial and incomplete” (not his understanding of it). There is an undertone around this work perpetuated by Kinfonet and The Link alike that the problem is with the room not the dancer. This is quite an interesting subject which I hope to expand on in ‘the myth of “Nobody got it”’ – a frequently referenced myth with significant psychological implication.

Need to justify existence

It seems to me that Kinfonet has started a business around K which, in principle, I believe is a reckless thing to do. And they seem to want to justify their existence and donations and support they receive by doing various activities which appear to me to be counterproductive. There is a notion in today's world that “more of a good thing is better” – we had an economics professor in the Master’s program who used to refer to this as “pig’s postulate” :-) But in fact sometimes less is more. I think in a way there has been a mindset within KLI that more activity is good activity. To a certain extend I can appreciate the sincerity of this attitude but reckless activity has negative consequence, specially when dealing with such a pliable thing given our historical habit of opting for security, conclusions, idealizations, interpretations, and so on which lead to distortion. Sometimes inaction is the right action.

What’s next for Kinfonet?

My suggestion would be for my dear Kinfonet brothers to explore making a livelihood other than by running a business around K. For example, they might want to explore organic clothing, which is getting more and more popular or a web-based business which they seem to have acumen for. They could refer book seekers to the official foundations’ online bookshops.

Alternatively, they could take a radical step of working totally under the auspices and direction of the official foundations (if the foundations would be interested) and truly cooperate with them by offering their web expertise, for example, in running a discussion board which I’ve heard one of the official foundations maybe looking into. As an immediate step, they should halt their interpretations immediately and revisit their entire mission and attune it with those entities who seem to have a much better sense of K’s purpose, i.e., the official foundations.

The Link

Origins of The Link

The Link started as a periodic personal newsletter to friends, in the early 1990’s, which was very enjoyable. Starting with the 11th edition, in Autumn of 1996, it was renamed as “The Link”. It has since evolved into a book of about 70 pages that’s published annually using first class paper and graphic design, and distributed freely through post and is available on the internet for free download and viewing. It features marvelous nature photographs taken by its founder (though in the last edition a photo was featured by Carol Brandt, one of K’s bashers whose terrible article appeared in a previous version of The Link (see my response from 2003 on www.rezamusic.com), and various articles by and about K and related material. The Link was sometimes criticized in the past for authoring interpretations on K’s work.

Apparent contradiction in purpose

I still read the “dear friends” section of The Link with great interest and love the nature photos. Some of the articles are wonderful, most of the commentaries on K’s work and stories of self-pity and struggles through a self-made maze, I can not read, and some articles are redundant (already printed in official foundations’ newsletters)...

Some of the articles are reckless and harmful to the causes that the official foundations, and I believe the Link’s own founder, stand for. It is appropriate for a journal to be controversial and publish opposing views – anyway, hopefully nobody is stuck to a belief that is threatened by challenges – but what the Link does, seems contradictory to its apparent mission of linking and bringing together, and to the mindset of its founder whom I “know” quite well, love, and revere greatly.

I sense something that I can only characterize as shallowness, a lack of seriousness, or lack of awareness of danger in the editors of The Link. It is difficult, and perhaps senseless to tell the inner workings of a mind or an organization of minds – e.g., who sets the tone, who tolerates the tone, and who influences it. I can only see the end result which is the tendency to want to do more than less, to organize around K, and while doing a lot of good work, a recklessness to spread confusion. Sometimes one feels that this organization maybe thrilled by and finds entertainment in controversy.

Discussion with a Link editor over K-bashing articles

On August 4 of last year, I had a discussion with one of the editors of The Link in the presence of the founder about articles they publish that bash and discredit K, and in particular, a recent instance of one in the last Link (which at least three trustees of the official foundations said they disapproved of). Over the years they’ve published a number of such articles which seems to totally clash with their charter. The founder’s presence gave rise to what I can describe by two impressions:

Firstly, that he may have delegated the selection of articles to his team, thereby entrusting them with compliance to their charter. On the face of it, my impression is that the values of the founder and his team might be too far distanced – including their attitudes towards K’s work. The founder, on the one hand, as publicly reported recently by the same editor, has given away “1000’s of books”. Part of the team, however, seems to be moving to a different beat, and those who are not might be too complacent to try to affect the tempo which is already sounding like a boring beat of status quo.

Secondly, I had the impression that there might have been an attempt by the part of the editor to save face in front of the founder, or defend her position, which felt kind of strange, especially as it was done in sort of a sloppy way, as described below:

The first response was that they publish such articles to stimulate inquiry or something to that effect. Inquiry starts with a question not a conclusion. The article we were examining (issue 25 page 17, “Why the teachings seem not to work”) started and ended with a conclusion, a closed door, and several false assumptions and abstractions. As for providing stimulation, the grocery store checkout lines are full of stimulating magazines. (on the subject of stimulants, see www.rezamusic.com).

Any student of K’s work can not help but to come about several major challenges he puts forth – some of which to the author are life-long challenges, such as: Is it possible to live without fear? Is it possible for the brain to be quite until it’s necessary for it to work? Is it possible to not live with a single psychological image, of one self, or recursively? And so on. Anyone who can not find these answers for themselves, can not find them through reading another person’s struggles, and especially, “can’t do” conclusions.

Then she said, we printed it because we didn’t have enough articles to print. I could not believe my ears (glad I was not the only one there). The Link’s editorship publishes completely inappropriate articles (as discussed above) because they have nothing else to print! A magazine that doesn’t get enough articles to print either reduces its number of pages, or closes down (see discussion of less is more in the above section under Kinfonet section, titled: “Need to justify existence”).

Persuasive design; Non-captive audience; 1-yr-delay rebuttals

Rebuttals are sometimes published in the Link but only after a terrible article has been in circulation for a year (not that the rebuttals are always any better than the original nonsense).

As a friend from one of K’s schools put it, as this magazine doesn't go to a captive audience it has the potential to reach newcomers (and students) that read these types of articles and fall right into tendencies of wanting to brush things aside due to information overload, short attention span, and the high-speed mode of modern life, and the momentum that this is too difficult, that the problem is with K, that K is confusing, that it doesn’t work, and other such myths that circulate around this work, and get deterred from study (coming up: The myth of “Nobody got it”). Such dissuasion is even more effective given the persuasive beautiful ambiance of the magazine (topnotch graphics etc.).

Appendix – Note on “Saanen”

If you want to observe these momentums, take a trip to a summer gathering (called “Saanen” for years) once and go to one of the panel discussions. Last year’s panels featured some of the most confused people I’ve ever known, including a German psychologist who was an expert at making things too complicated, and seemed pretty confused himself. His arguments were feeble yet convincing to the gullible. He’s invited again to be a panel member this year, or an organizer who’s been talking about whirls of confusing turbulence turning in her head, in almost every meeting I’ve seen her in. I really should not get started on this subject :-).

Don’t get me wrong, the majority of the people who attend this gathering are wonderful sane people but a few are not. Some old timers are determined to push their images of others onto new comers in a territorial way – a status quo of underlying authority.

A few other old-timers worship K by getting glued to the video screen, as they probably did to the stage while he was alive, literally worshipping him, making him into an ideal, and perhaps for that very reason, completely missing the boat, as evidenced by what they say: entrenched in self-pity which is really a subtle form of self-extension, they are confused about things like “psychological time”, and “concentration vs. attention” as though it’s rocket science. Don’t even mention observer & observed because that is real rocket science (not).

On that note, earlier this month, in a wonderful dialogue with the revered scholar, David Skitt, I said Krishnamurti is not rocket science. He responded, very interestingly, having worked in that field, that “rocket science is pretty easy”! If rocket science is easy, K can not be difficult!

A really funny incident happened in a K-related gathering when they said let’s go around the room and each person say what their understanding of “Observer & Observed” is. One lady said, “there was the Big Bang, and suddenly I am here, and I have 2 legs and not 3, and I observe this, and this is the observer/observed”. Good God!

I don’t mind any of this, people can understand or not, but organizing around K, specially when there is a business aspect always needs to be done with great care because organizations tend to want to perpetuate themselves (and post-K “Saanen”also probably made good revenue while at Saanenland though I have no doubt it's not done for money). This year it’s moved to a hotel in another valley. The organizer, who is also a trustee of KFT works hard at managing this gathering and is a talented, earnest and patient manager. The background mindset of the theme seems to be one of K as an idol -- and this immediately gives rise to comparison, insufficiency, becoming, and the rest of that cycle. But it is a good meeting, with walks and music and the best kind of dialogues, which are the informal ones.

I have met many wonderful friends at “Saanen” and the natural beauty of the location, the hikes, and the informal talks have always been quite fruitful. I’ve kept a detail diary of it during the last years which might some day turn into a book or article, including the inquiries, relationship, joys, tortures, the clear wise folks, the jealous ones who can’t stand to see the clear and the happy, the gossip-brained ones; and lastly, those who worship K, and those who bash him : two sides of the same coin.

Some members of the fifth foundation often play key roles in this gathering. One was giving boring talks but those who worship K also adore such “priests” – it’s just the human condition. In general lecturers were eliminated. One of the positive aspects of the gathering is that the organizer strives to be flexible and improve the format based on feedback received. On occasion it has felt like the exclusive attitude of the fifth foundation gets into the heads of some of its members who allow themselves to take on a superior attitude. This is not some illusion, it’s backed by evidence, and it’s no surprise: when people are put on pedestals it often backfires. But as this teachings points out when one becomes aware of something fully, change can come about, and that happens.

Someone wrote: Last time we were in Villars... and my feelings did coincide with the description you made. Mediocre and confused people talking to the rest in pannels, etc., or 'facilitating' groups...

Epilogue

My only hope is the founder, who is still alive and has the power -- unless he’s signed everything over and/or built an irreversible legal structure -- to take a bold step and have this organization dissolve now, or after his passing away. He could consider donating his resources to the official foundations that not only fully share his mission, but have the capability to put those resources to proper, careful use.

Addendum1: Some responses to this document

Responses from some trustees

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- That the foundations have tolerated the fifth foundation and are aware of many of the things stated in the report, and thanked for “raising the obvious questions about that operation”.

- “the content shows serious inconsistencies of the way they conduct their work”.

- “its proximity to k foundations and relationships makes it appear one with the spirit of the foundations. But that in effect and actual functioning, it is differently located, somewhat confused and likely to err out of a lack of caution.”

- “your report is very clear and direct to the point and you have done your work. From now on, things must take their own steps… So, thanks again for your article, because from it I have learned a lot of things, but I do not have the feeling of division or separation, on the contrary, we are in the same boat, and in doing all of us have the possibility to learn…”

- “You have voiced quite well the dangers of interpretation of K.”

- “Thanks… for your KLI/Kinfonet piece. It has stirred up some interesting discussion around here.”

- “I believe you raise several important questions which deserve to be investigated and responded to… I think you have done a good service with your essay, but I suspect there will be those who will object to your concerns. I expect there will be those who will consider you to be an annoyance...be prepared for disagreement and rejection from those who don't wish to question "what is."”

From others...

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- “GOOD FOR YOU REZA! It needed to be said, and the manner in which you presented it, from attention and concern and with kindness is appreciated very much.”

- “in general I feel that what you are saying makes sense. In some way this 'foundation' seems redundant…. I sure appreciate your pointing to the wisdom of 'less is more', particularly with respect to K.”

- “Interesting article, Reza. Congratulations on pouring your energies into this enquiry. Your struggle and research seems to come from a

good place. All gardens need to be weeded. You shine light into awkward places like behind the shed and in the rockery - places where most people don't tread for fear of spiders and beetles. Reza,

you have been blessed with a razor sharp intelligence, a sort of genius, and a personality that allows you got go into meticulous details about certain topics.”

- “Many interesting points you raise… I too cannot read the link, finding it in the main to be verbose and often talking around and around a subject rather than penetrating it.” He went on to say that the Link fills a gap that the foundations have had. Perhaps so. I am not against the Link, if they don’t clash with the official foundations’ objectives.

- “My goodness Reza, you certainly have had a lot on your mind... As to it's relevancy, I'm afraid I must not only agree with you, but say that it is long overdue.” and continued: "Finally, I am reminded of something I heard K say to author Frank Waters (The Book of The Hopi) on an audio tape that has never been published, and perhaps what K had to say, is the reason why. Waters begins the conversation by stating that he's been coming to Ojai, year after year, and always sees many of the same faces. He goes on to say that, in his opinion, none of these same faces look to him to be any different, than the first time he saw them. To which K replied: "Some of them have gotten worse!"

- “I read carefully what you have writen about the 5th, and sincerely I want to thank you for the courage to say or to point out possible wrong paths that in the name of K. can make the whole thing trivial, or as a kind of stiring the brain more than it already is, o even to confus new people, or just give a misfortuned picture of the people talking K, etc. I appreciate the clarity of your words. I must say that I connect with them more through the feeling than through knowledge of facts described, since I seldom read the Link, and we don't know much. But with many of your views I fully agree. Specially with trying 'to do so much, instead of doing so well'.

- "Dear Reza, thanks a lot for speaking out on a very important subjects. Thanks for being not in the silent majority. We know very well, how organization can bring harm and corruption. Reza, your voice has weight I believe you can make changes. May be it will be not enough but you do a very good job. Also I know that people like you, should speak out loud."

- Dear Reza, Thanks for your text Re.: The Fifth Foundation. Here is what I think [he wrote a 16 point response]. 1. Absolutely brilliant! You've analyzed the whole situation very objectively and pointed out the positive and the negative. .

- Just remember, he is the head of... I think anything that smacks of questioning anything in regards to the foundations will raise a red flag.

- Hi dear Reza! Thanks so much for sending me all these emails.Your perception about the danger of some people trying to become interpreters of K complicating and spreading confusion to the minds of the readers is very

accurate.

Addendum2: Infrequently Asked Questions

QUESTION 1:Why was the document distributed to more people that just the KLI folks or the official foundations

ANSWER: As stated in the document, the reason for this was that these points were communicated already, directly to the parties responsible, and I realized the only way to for this message to get through the walls of respectability, status quo, hierarchy, and authority that prefers to shoot-the-messenger instead of hearing the message, was to raise the awareness of the issues. In fact, this was a last ditch step. Otherwise, the sole purpose of this was to document the movements that are so traditional, and which occurred so early after passing away of a man who was so passionate about questioning traditions.

QUESTION 2: Were the points made in the document a surprise to KLI?

ANSWER: It should not have been. I can cite exact instances where almost every point raised in the document was communicated with the founder or his close associates.

QUESTION 3: Do you feel antagonistic towards the founder of KLI? Towards the team members?

ANSWER:Not a single bit. I love him dearly and have already stated this in the document though some people like to ignore that and want to make it seem like I have something against him. Similarly with his team, I have no personal problems with them.

QUESTION 4: Do you see yourself as a protector of K's work?

ANSWER: This is the biggest nonsense I've ever heard, and unfortunately even from KLI. Those who are convinced of the image they have of my image of myself should know that they're wrong. I do not think of myself as a protector of K's work. That is the most absurd and baseless opinion. I have not said anything to imply that. What I have said is laid out below. If you have the patience to read you will see there is no "me" in there as one who wants to protect. I think all those associated with this work should handle it with care, and I point out with concrete examples how some are not which is a cause for concern specially given their financial and therefore, political power.

QUESTION 5: Are you thrilled by Friendrich's money?

ANSWER: Not a bit. I support around 18 charitable and non profit organizations using my own money [as of 2007], and have always worked hard for every cent I've earned. I have no interest in anybody else's money. I have tremendous respect for Friedrich primarily as a K scholar and as a generous and a good hearted person with nothing but good intension.

QUESTION 6: Are you jealous of KLI and want to be a part of that team and frustrated that you're not?

ANSWER: That was one of the funniest jokes I heard out of the K-mountain-holiday entertainment/gossip channel. No, absolutely not. There is not a trace of envy or jealousy for being a part of that organization. I've always had successful careers and never had the desire to make a career out of K. He's already done the work! Our real work is to live life fully. The administrative side is being handled by the foundations with their minimal staff/setup. My work is best done without affiliation with any organizations.

QUESTION 7: Do you think Friedrich is gullible?

ANSWER: No. I did not say nor implied that anywhere. In general all "romantic fools" like myself are gullible when it comes to women. Joking aside, there are many examples of benevolent persons in history whose goals and actions undertaken under by organizations they support were not always synchronous.

QUESTION 8: Were you being practical in proposing solutions?

ANSWER: Entirely. But maybe it was too big to be noticed! Like that big elephant pillow that Angela missed to see because it was too big, or like the so-called "subconscious" which as K questioned: is it the subconscious or is it that it's so obvious that one tends to not see it! My concrete proposals were as follows:

  1. For Kinfonet people to find something else to do if this is their main business because I think trying to make money around K doing what they did, e.g. pushing Sloss book and other things as described below is wrong.

  2. For the Link to be careful about what they print and not print articles just because they're short on articles or just to stimulate controversy for the sake of stimulation.

  3. For KLI to set itself up to dissolve now or after the founder has passed away and integrate its resources with the official foundations. I see great danger if this thing continues given some of their less than careful activities while the founder is alive -- once he's gone, I'd be very nervous of what this team will do in the name of K.

QUESTION 9: Did you make any mistakes in writing this document?

ANSWER: Yes, I made two mistakes:

  1. Timing. I should have released it after the Swiss Annual Krishnamurti-Holiday in the mountains (a.k.a. Saanen or Murren Gatherings). I am not being antagonistic. I know many people who go there and they go for a holiday. A serious student does not need 2 weeks a year for learning -- s/he's always inquiring/learning. But it's a good holiday with good food and wonderful nature walks and beauty of mountains, music, love affairs, serious inquiry and topics of gossip for those who seek it (I don't). Unfortunately my letter was reportedly food for the gossip channel with all kinds of people commenting on it who had not even read it based on some faulty images and hearsay. On that "Saanen" note, I must say that I have learned a lot there in relationships, as in all relationships. I have also learned a lot in daily life! These gatherings were mostly a ton of fun with friends and laughter and living. K is about living, the art of living, and the observation, understanding, and transmutation of all the inartistic stuff, things of the mind, that touch and ruin relationships and inner and outer peace.

  2. My second mistake was not making it clear to the official foundations that this was not written for them. Actually, I never said that it was but one of the four foundations took it "personally" and I have some responsibility in that. However, it was interesting how the ego-centric predicament applies to organizations as well as persons. No surprise: we and the world are one and the same. The reaction of this one foundation was initially positive, that, yes, there are a lot of unanswered questions that deserve to be addressed about this Fifth Foundation and I was even thanked for writing this, but then politics got involved. And politics and philosophy are often contradictory. Politicians are often not interested in truth. And this very thing happened in the form of institutional image making in order to protect the organization against questioning whether it was doing its job properly -- I did not question the official foundations and said, to the contrary, that they're set up just fine, in my humble opinion.

QUESTION 10: Did you write the letter to get attention?

ANSWER: No. I can get a lot more attention playing going out and playing the guitar. I don't need attention. Life in quit rich. As John Lennon said in Strawberry Fields, "it's getting hard to be someone but it all works out, it doesn't matter much to me". It doesn't.

QUESTION 11: Is what you call the Fifth Foundation really a Krishnamurti foundation?

ANSWER: No. I used that term rhetorically.


QUESTION 12: Why didn't you send the letter to one of the KFA trustees but to the rest of them?

ANSWER: I have no obligations to send anything to anybody as I am not a employee or member of any organizations. In this case the trustee in questions, probably the only one out of all foundation trustees, has mis-represented facts on at least two occasions to fit images of what appears to be her distraught and distressed state of mind. I have no problems with her personally but I think she's too political and cunning, to be trusted as a trustee. It seems that often people forget the example K set by the way he lived which was cleansing itself and could help anybody/brain and those that had gone through major abuses in the past.


QUESTION 13: Why did you not use then name of the founder of KLI?

ANSWER: Those who know him know who he is, those who don't can find out on their own. I had no particular intension for not using his name and any complaints to that effect are frivolous. If I had named him someone would complain why did you.


QUESTION 14: Why did you refer to some of KLI team as Friendrich's advisors?

ANSWER: That's a terminology from my management consulting background. Maybe I should have said "team members". It was not meant as a derogatory term as management of world class organizations have advisors and that is not a bad thing.


QUESTION 15: Who do you think you are? You're not a trustee or staff member so what do you care?

ANSWER: I go through life with no image of myself -- not as an absolute thing -- but my mind has learned the limitations of image making. I am just a human. Isn't that enough to question and point out contradictions around the work of a friend after he's died? I'm just a free-lancer, an independant human who can not be put in a box or category, and therefore some people may find that uncomfortable.

Love Rules :-)

~~~

Addendum3: Related Updates

16 DEC 2007

Dear Friedrich:

Thanks for sending the personal version of "Friedrich's Newsletter" which I always enjoy reading.

I'm glad to see a major improvement to the Kinfonet's newsletter format -- at least now they're clearly distinguishing K's writing from their own.

On the face of it, the latest Link looks wonderful. I will read it in due time.

"Miss" you -- it's been a long time. I am sure we will meet sometime somewhere :-)

Love & Best Wishes

Reza


Would J. Krishnamurti Have Dissolved The Krishnamurti Foundation America (KFA)? April 2014, by Reza Ganjavi

Would J. Krishnamurti Have Dissolved The Krishnamurti Foundation America (KFA)?

-- April 2014 By Reza Ganjavi

www.rezamusic.com

PREFACE. 1

Would K Have Dissolved The KFA?. 2

“Krishnamurti Meditation” 2

Mixing K. 2

KFA’s Yoga Negates K’s Notion. 2

Reckless Attitude. 2

Ravi Ravindra Tragedy. 2

“Orthodox JK People”?! 2

Note From Trustee. 2

Dissemination or Dissuasion?! 2

What’s Next? Kali Puja?. 2

Institutional Ego vs. Living It 2

Ray of Light at End of the Tunnel 2

PREFACE

The following are my opinions. I have been utmost diligent and objective in researching and presenting them, however, please do not accept them as facts and do your own research.

The term ex-Director refers to an the previous Executive Director of KFA. I dropped the extra “ex” after seeing an email from India refer to him as ex-Director which is somewhat ambiguous because he is still a Director so if “ex” means executive, he’s not the executive director, and if it means previous, he is still a director. But I rode on the same ambiguity instead of using the term ex-ExDirector which is what I originally had.

It doesn’t matter who that person is. This is not a date sensitive document. It’s not a personal attack. I have no hard feelings for anyone mentioned here directly or indirectly, although they will likely turn it into a personal attack because that is the dirty habit of organizations when they’re challenged (read “institutional ego” section below).

The intention behind writing this was nothing but historical documentation of what occurred after a great man died – as far as I know nobody else is capturing these in writing.

This was written as part of my Spring 2014 circular but was spawned into this separate document.

The idea of dissolution of KFA might seem like a radical one but at least it gets the points across about the fact that “the house is on fire” and it’s not the first time in history that a foundation has been in such a state – in the past I read that K was ready to walk about from it all and I believe he could – he dissolved the “order of the star of the east” with all its might and money.

Would K Have Dissolved The KFA?

It is no mystery to anyone who’s studied Krishnamurti’s life and teachings that he was extremely wary of organizations. Why? I think because organizations can distort, deny freedom, fall for games of power and money, etc. – during his life time he was very adamant about dissolving the Krishnamurti Foundation India (KFI) (according to the biographies I read) but his friends talked him out of it (it wasn’t easy) – and he called KFA, the American foundation, idiotic (I don’t know the full circumstances around this statement but it came from a credible source – another person told me he treated the foundation like family). Based on what I know about him, having read 80+ books including all his biographies, I don’t think he would hesitate for a moment in dissolving KFA given what has been going on. I believe KFA has been actively and recklessly engaged in distorting Krishnamurti including promoting things he discarded for years. Some examples follow.

KFA obviously does some good work too, e.g., publications. Its charter is preservation and dissemination. As I understand it the preservation job is done – and the core of dissemination is first living it (discussed in past circulars).

The following section demonstrate why KFA is on a fast track to dilution of K’s teachings.

There are many fields in the “new age” or “spiritual” field from past life regression -- (reminds me of the 1924 nonsense book by Besant/Leadbeater called “Lives of Alcyon” which supposedly depicts 48 past lives of K – fiction fed to the world as fact) -- to all kinds of other nonsense which people find appealing. There are many organizations which cater to these things – or even religious rituals… But these are outside the charter of the organizations which K so reluctantly agreed to exist after his name.

“Krishnamurti Meditation”

I heard the ex-Director was going to travel and give speech about “Krishnamurti Meditation”. Do you see the tragedy of it? How poor K talked so much about “no system” and 30 years later he’s being commercialized as having had a system – K meditation – K yoga…

Mixing K

KFA has held a number of events on its facilities which have the consequence of “mixing” K with other things against his wish and stern warning against this. Why are they doing this? I believe

  1. a) for money

  2. b) to do something to attract more people; but is the dilution worth it?

I heard of a birthing event, and use of facilities e.g., by a Robert Wolfe’s “Non Duality” group since one of the trustees is his publisher I haven’t seen Robert for years but saw his videos and books and while I wish him well, his work is way outside KFA’s charter, and dilutive.

I know some international trustees have an issue with this, and I believe KFA might have stopped using the facilities for other things but they’re still using it to have Ravi Ravindra deliver his speech on “soul journey”, the most awful disgrace, distortions, and interpretations of K – and it’s especially painful since K spent so much energy warning about interpreters, authorities -- and, perils of organizations! (see section below).

KFA’s Yoga Negates K’s Notion

Recently the foundation hosted yoga retreats. K clearly stated he did yoga exercises for physical benefits and nothing more. His making this clear was important because a lot of nonsense is associated with yoga these days and yoga has itself been diluted – and – misunderstood as a way of finding higher truth. Of course releasing physical tension and improving health can help the overall life experience but yoga, per se, is not a means of finding “higher truth”.

In a review of the last retreat KFA wrote: “Together we learned that yoga is about the mind and the ability to perceive clearly.” This is a clear contradiction, inconsistency, and negation of what K went out of his way to state otherwise.

KFA’s yoga retreat includes teaching participants Vedic chanting. Vedic chanting – I repeat – in USA at a Krishnamurti Foundation.

One could argue, K chanted when he was in India. Yes he did sometimes but he also wore Indian clothes there. What does chanting words most people don’t understand the meaning in a language people don’t speak have to do with K’s work? The answer is, Zero! On the other hand, every mediocre yoga outlet offers chanting. Just another form of dilution –call it Bhakti yoga or what you will -- it’s dilution of K’s precious work; sponsoring Sanskrit chanting class does NOT fit into KFA’s charter.

A local observer who found the direction “disturbing” wrote: ”yoga is used as something not just for the body but more…

For a while the event was advertised as follows which is the exact thing K warned against. It speaks volumes about the intention however it might be reworded:

“Is it possible to approach Krishnamurti’s teachings in a different way with the support of a yoga practice?

A 5-day event where participants engage in yoga and dialogue, opening up an opportunity for exploration and self-knowledge. Yoga will be used as an avenue to create space for the mind… [etc.]”

Next thing you know is marketing of “Krishnamurti yoga” – already being lectured by Ravi Ravindra (see below).

Reckless Attitude

One of the people who provided constructive criticism at a meeting with trustees was asked to meet the the ex-Director one to one – in a typical effort to contain all dissent. In that conversation it was said that K is getting sucked into tradition. It was painful for me to hear this because 30 years ago driving with the them ExDirector, he had this same pessimistic attitude, that oh, it will all just wither away.

Are people still reading Rumi? Why should K wither away ?

On the other hand, the very attitude by the supposed guardians of this work leads to exactly what we are witnessing: recklessness. When you think something is going away anyway, you don’t care any more, and that very carelessness is what I sense in the work of the foundation – fast track to mediocrity. When will they put on a Kali Puja? I bet it will attract a lot of people!

I know many trustees of various foundations, and their attitudes, and am sure that many don’t have the attitude that K will get distorted anyway, that it will vanish into tradition and become another mediocre, boring, insignificant, mythical nonsense. In fact in a conversation one long term close friend of K (not people who were in the background and after his death want to portray they were in the forefront) and trustee told me her attitude which is very contrary to the above.

One staff member reacted to the subject as: “Even if you think it’s inevitable, you don’t bow down to it”

Ravi Ravindra Tragedy

The title of his most recent talk at KFA speaks volumes: “Special Event - Self-Knowledge: Journey of the Soul with Ravi Ravindra”

Soul Journey? How about past life regression and throw in some mantra, tantra, and mandala? What about the soul. Oh, all the discourses K had about the soul (NOT!). Journey? Reading this stuff is tragic in light of 65+ years of hard work by the man who didn’t want any organizations and authorities to compromise his very serious work, and it’s happening right before our eyes.

One of several examples of KFA diluting the teachings is to repeatedly asking Ravi Ravindra to speak at the Foundation. Originally Indian, Ravi teaches or taught at a university in Canada and has written some books on traditional stuff, and a horrible book, or should I say, tabloid, on K where he writes of K’s attraction to virgin girls, other cheap nonsense, using horrible logic and terrible arguments. I wrote about the book (or rather, the tabloid) on www.rezamusic.com

I guess being a friend of the ex-Director is why he keeps getting invited to speak. One speech of his I saw in Ojai, gave me the impression that he’s totally clueless when it comes to K – an impression which was based on his own admission that he did not understand K. As soon as he starts talking about K that comes across loud and clear – and reminds me of Mary Lutyens saying some of the people close to K were totally clueless, and she resembled it to burning if one is too close to the sun. I’ve written about this in the past including in the chapter:

K is NOT too difficult / the curse of “Nobody Got It”: 2013 circular on www.rezamusic.com

Appendix of Letter to KFA on www.rezamusic.com

So yes, Ravi knew K personally – so did I :) – but how “close” he was to K or what K may or may not have said to him is irrelevant. Anyway, I don’t recall him appearing in any of the documented discourses. The important facts are:

  • his own admission to not having understood K

  • his words, talks, lectures, discussions, all of which testify loud and clear to point (a)

  • he’s an academic and carries some titles after his name which put him in a position of an authority, at least in the minds of some people, and the way he’s introduced at the KFA

  • he’s a fundamentalist in my opinion – talk about orthodox – he’s deep into Indian traditions, knows them very well, and is a perfect hatchet man for making sure K gets absorbed by traditions -- the ex-Director has envisaged this absorption for a long time.

Putting aside all this and any images of past, let’s look at his recent talk at the KFA. By the way, the comment of KFA insulting critics as “orthodox JK people” was about this talk.

Ravindra starts his talk with a quote by Petanjali (LMAO). He repeatedly referred to spiritual traditions and attempted to fit Krishnamurti into tradition. This by itself is a disgrace. He went on to promote concepts which K directly discarded, showing how clueless he is about some of the most basic things K talked about – promotes bankrupt concepts like higher vs. lower self – quotes traditions, hints at the concept of time as means to change via one story (again, something K spent so much energy discarding, clarifying) – promotes spiritual hierarchy, the many levels of the self and such complete utter nonsense which he is obviously repeating like a parrot from traditions which are so meaningless, mediocre, dull, and absolutely have NOTHING to do with K, what he stood for, what he taught, what he lived.

And having promoted his confusion, in his most boring tone, he promotes the idea that it is darn difficult!! Another disgrace – K spent a lot of energy discarding that idea and inviting people to inquire – K was very very clear and anybody that inquired into the pointers and challenges would likely find clarity -- but the speaker at the foundation K dreaded having, is utterly confused himself, and is promoting confusion, in the backdrop of a man’s work which was about clarity.

Despite all his quoting of Gita, Upanishads, Petanjali Sutras, etc, Ravi’s talk was a tragedy and a disgrace to K. Shame on KFA for knowingly bringing him again and again to spread his confusion. But then again when the ex-Director thinks K would get sucked into traditions, having Ravi around makes sense!

Ravi’s talk was a disgrace to K – I believe K would have been disappointed at people coming to his place to hear such utter nonsense which was so much against 65 years of K’s hard work. The issue is dilution, distortion, and interpretation. K vehemently warned against such things and 30 years later it’s right in his home!

As one example, Ravindra obviously never found out if the different levels of the self he promotes are just illusions!! His solution to his bankrupt concepts are just as bankrupt – traditional formulas – surrender, and other such nonsense.

One of the confused members of the audience asked “what am I to do”? Wrong person to ask of. But sure enough the answer was completely idiotic. Ravindra said, see what you’re not (LOL). He said becoming aware of what you are not brings freedom. Duh ! Poor K – I really feel sorry for him spending decades pointing to the importance of seeing what you are. Now his foundation is promoting seeing what you are not. Fantastic!

The promotion of illusions and confusion was endless… that the ego can’t be understood, etc. etc. I have lots of other examples of his clueless statements in regards to the core teachings of K, but this is enough. It’s really very disturbing to see such a man be brought again and again to promote his confusion at the KFA. Really shameful.

The ex-Director introduced his friend as having a best seller book – talk about promotion of authority – well his most sold book on Amazon had a ranking of 412,572th when I looked it up. That means 421,000 books sold better than his!

KFA turned around and insulted people who found Ravi’s talk inappropriate and an act of dilution of K’s grand work into the mire of mediocrity, by saying, “at times he uses language and stories that rankle the orthodox JK people”.

That’s not the case and such interpretation by KFA says more about their mindset and actually makes perfect sense given their reckless dilution of K’s work.

The tragedy and dilution just gets worse! It’s incredible that Ravi Ravindra says he doesn’t understand K and then goes around talking about it. He did a session in Canada called “Effortless Living: The Yoga of Krishnamurti”. The Yoga of K was what he did for physical exercises and he made it very clear it was for nothing more. But clueless interpreters like to suck him into traditions, reduce him into their small scope, and in fashionable terminology that sells. We had Punk Yoga now we have Krishnamurti Yoga. Poor K !!

Talking about Canada, that is another case of dilution of K’s name. There is a center called Krishnamurti Center but to supposedly survive they say they host other events which in my opinion have nothing to do with K and just dilutes the name. They are not doing publications, they don’t have archives, but they have a retreat and interest in K. The quick fix is to not call it a K center.

“Orthodox JK People”?!

The funny and sad thing is the Foundation calls people who criticize it for having taken on a reckless attitude and the dilution, as K orthodox!! That is the most ridiculous defensive cheap shot I’ve ever heard which again – shows a big disconnect between the organization and the founder who dreaded organizations! If anybody studied this work, which means they studies their own lives, there would be no belief system or anything that would remotely resemble dogma. So to call the critics of the foundation K orthodox is just as bad as the comment of one of their staff members some time ago, “nobody from outside should comment on the work of the foundation”. This is the attitude and management style which Is hopeless.

I was not called this, but calling people K orthodox is about as bad of an insult as it can get to a person who has studied K’s work, tested the pointers and challenges in their daily life, etc., and a part of that is dissolution of anything remotely “orthodox”.

But this is not the first time that KFA engages in the dirty practice of trying to discard a message by discrediting the messenger, and this is part of that poor management style mentioned above. A good manager would never need to resort to personal attacks in order to quash a constructive, meaningful, important criticism.

I am one of those who think KFA is inappropriately and recklessly diluting K’s work, and there’s nothing orthodox or fanatic about this. Even the ex-Director told me “you say it like it is”. That was before I became a subject of their slander because I pointed some things out that in their mind challenged their institutional ego, and what ensued was image making, slander, and all that which I believe are the reasons that K was so adamantly dreaded having organizations associated with him.

Trying to silence critics is an old, bankrupt management style. Things have changed a bit since they have a new Secretary who is a very good person but status quo seems too strong for there to be a meaningful change in direction which does not jeopardize and defeat years of hard work by their founder.

Note From Trustee

This was sent to me not long ago around the subject discussed in the last (2013) circular on www.rezamusic.com

“Reza, We are ALL responsible with K's message. And also we have to question ALL the foundations. They have to be like an open book, not secretive behind closed doors. That is totally unacceptable. It is against the very "K spirit". Against what he did in his life, against the teachings. So question all of us, question openly without fear the Foundations. And if they are too comfortable in the high chairs, well...too bad. They’d have to leave before it is too late. It’s that simple. “

Dissemination or Dissuasion?!

A trustee of KFA did a presentation in which he elaborated on calling K’s work teachings and related matters – an argument which I find somewhat arbitrary – K and his friends were wondering what to call it and they said teachings – I call them pointers and challenges – the name is not the thing. However, I disagree with the trustee’s bulk of argument, which I found troubling, given he’s a trustee and this is being presented in an official gathering which means more weight is given to it as fact but I don’t believe the following arguments are true:


  1. a) that understanding of the teachings is all-or-none.
    b) that the teachings are difficult to understand and apply.
    c) that nobody got it.

    There is plenty of evidence that (a) is not true -- one can drink a glass of water or a bucket -- this has nothing to do with the fact that partial understanding is not understanding but that can not be applied to the entirety of a person’s discourses pointers hints teachings. There are many who benefit from one aspect of the insights explored by K and are oblivious about other parts of his teachings.

And (b) is not true -- I know many and including myself for whom the teachings are not difficult to understand and apply. It takes a studious diligent serious awake and most importantly selfless mind, in my opinion. If the self is there it becomes all difficult because the teachings challenge the very structure of the psychological self. See www.Rezatv.com ‘s philosophy section to see a number of others who also don’t find it difficult!

(c) is nothing but a myth - a misapplied distorted abstraction. I wrote about this extensively in previous circulars, e.g., the "myth of nobody got it".

This tends to defeat the “dissemination” charter of KFA. Imagine a new comer, shows up at a gathering, or hears from a friend, that this thing is difficult, is all-or-none, and nobody got it. What are the chances s/he will pick up a book?

What’s Next? Kali Puja?

A friend wrote: “I was recently at an Ojai Sai Baba and a Hare Krishna meeting. Very big circus. Maybe we should introduce this to KFA so that more people would come......”

When asked about the yoga retreat, a trustee of the KFA told me their goal is to get more people to come to the East end. The retreat had a small number of participants and not all were paid participants. Is it worth it?!

The Board needs to seriously consider the cost of the attempt to attract more people and the serious cost and consequences of diluting K’s work. The idea that K’s work is protected by some kind of esoteric force is hogwash. I’ve discussed this at length in previous issues of my k-related circulars (www.rezamusic.com)

The world is full of mediocre shallow meaningless stuff called spirituality. They are entertaining and money making and attract a lot of people. KFA can easily get itself on mainstream stage and even put up a booth at Shakti Fest but is that responsible handling of K’s legacy? Is that living the teachings? If so, they should organize a Puja – I bet it will be packed – and have Ravi Ravindra lead it. Don’t forget the sandalwood incense and garland! God Forbid!!

Institutional Ego vs. Living It

There is an army of yoga teachers in Ojai so new teachers would have a hard time differentiating themselves – mixing it up with K is a way – but at that price?! Does the KFA Board of Directors even consider dilution as an issue? Do they understand that sometimes less is more? Do they think that which brings in money is not necessarily the best thing? If cost of running the buildings is an issue, they should look into what got them to this point to begin with. Financial markets in themselves surely can not be blamed. Are the same people doing the same things expecting different results? If money is an issue maybe they can visit their activities – does it make sense to have the Director hold dialogues in Asia while there’s a foundation IN Asia (KFI)?

I’m sure there are a number of areas that can be revisited, refined, redefined – but that takes a disruptive attitude which has no issues going heads on with status quo. That was also K’s “style” as I understood it! Is the Board of Directors wise enough to question itself, and the very existence of the foundation? Going back to the charter of preservation and dissemination is important. Preservation as far as I know is done. Dissemination is not what KFA is doing by having Ravi Ravindra speak – by hosting Yoga retreats that promote use of yoga for more than physical exercise which puts K at the level of masses of mediocre nonsense. And other examples as pointed out here and elsewhere. There is some good work they’re doing but given K’s stern warnings about organizations, his disinclination for having any organizations in his name, the Board ought to be wary of “institutional ego” and its ways which is the same ways, desire to perpetuate itself, etc. etc. – the concept that comes to me when I think of this is minimizing: what is the leanest organization necessary for dissemination? What are the needs in terms of facilities? Etc. etc.

The title “institutional ego” is more than about questioning itself. I’ve written about this in past circulars. As K pointed out an organization IS its people (and vice versa). And what’s come across very clearly in some of the behaviors of KFA, is a massive institutional ego which is so, not living K’s teachings – you know, engaging in image making, self-perpetuation, etc. Since the primary job of the foundation is now dissemination, which as K pointed out is foremost living it, the Board needs to inquire into “living it” – but then again, if a key driving force of the Board is not living it, what could be expected of the board?

Ray of Light at End of the Tunnel

A ray of light at the end of the tunnel is a few trustees but not sure if they have the power to take the bull by the horns. I have no faith the current regime can turn around this disgraceful fast track to dilution. Short of a complete dissolution, I’d like to see a radical shift in the Board of Directors with some of the people completely retiring, and having a few new people (I have some names in mind) with the vision and grasp of the profound ground K pointed to, to put this ship on the right path. That would include a full review and revision of the executive arm. I don’t believe this will happen because status quo is too strong. Instead what I expect is slander and personal attacks against critics, even the most constructive ones, in order to discard their message – which again is the action of the institutional ego wanting to perpetuate itself.

Another ray of light is the other foundations – KFT, KFI – more KFT than KFI since KFI shares management with the KFA and is influenced by the same force. But I know there are a number of trustees in KFI who are very clear about this. Perhaps if members of KFT and KFI see that there’s an issue here and demand an inquiry into the very depth of it, some change can come about. But I’m not optimistic about this again, because the status quo is too strong.

Speaking of status quo, think of what K was up against, and what he did. It was gigantic. And what did it take? Lots of goodies for the Board to ponder.

Ultimately it may take time till some of the people who were too close to K to get it, are no longer around. But time is only of the material significance – K provides a very supple insight for dealing with this problem and it takes no time – but I doubt the foundation shares that insight of their founder.

© Reza Ganjavi, 2014, All Rights Reserved

On the work related (and unrelated) to the work to J. Krishnamurti, March 2014, by Reza Ganjavi

On the work related (and unrelated) to the work to J. Krishnamurti, March 2014, by Reza Ganjavi


"As a historian, the world's insane condition is not exactly new; but it gets into our homes and psyches in an intimate way as never before. I turn on the TV and the floodgates open to idiocy, stupidity, small mindedness, arrogance, and blindness. None of this is new but the impact is intolerable". Dr. Jim Christian, author, my first philosophy professor

“K is a giant. The longer I live the more I come to see that. And how pitiful that some of those around him who totally missed the boat are now engaged in diluting his message with tradition.” RG

On the work related (and unrelated) to the work to J. Krishnamurti, March 2014, by Reza Ganjavi

Your comments are most welcome. Reza Ganjavi can be contacted via email: (info – at – rezamusic – dot – com). For further information about RG’s work, please see: www.rezamusic.com

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Introduction. 2

Previous Issues. 3

New Videos. 3

Interviews / Dialogues. 3

Talks By Reza Ganjavi in English. 4

Talks By Reza Ganjavi in Persian. 4

Experiential Metaphysics : The Immensity. 4

“Most Profound Modern Thinker” 5

Would K Have Dissolved The KFA?. 6

Review of Mark Lee’s Talk. 6

Modern Philosophy. 8

Book Review.. 9

London Underground Posters. 11

K in K Schools (again) 11

Inquiry Sunday. 12

Erich Schiffmann: Think on These Things. 12

Gathering For The Young. 13

Well of Wisdom.. 13

Quote by a Young Person. 13

Mysteries Abound. 13

Miscellaneous Notes. 14

Passion For Education. 14

Trap of Organization. 14

Corruption of Buddha’s Work. 15

Passion for Education. 16

Trap of Dialogue About Dialogue. 16

Victoria Boutenko’s Selection of K Quotes, Green Smoothie Retreat 17

Soma. 17

The Self Market 17

Byron Katie. 18

Eckhart Tolle. 19

Helen Nearing’s Book. 20

Miscellaneous. 21

E-books. 21

Book Covers. 21

Freedom.. 21

India. 21

New Book. 21

Aspiring Guru & Dilution. 21

Myth. 22

Crop Circles are Hoax. 22

Radha Burnier 23


Introduction

Krishnamurti is not a leader and I am not a follower of his. I met him around 15 times in the last 3 years of his life and read many of his books. Of all the philosophers of West and East I studied academically and personally, I found him to be a one of the most brilliant with a genuine interest to help humanity. He does not propose a new path, system, method, dogma, technique, or anything to believe or follow. He simply asks a lot of great questions and puts forth important challenges and pointers which I’ve found to be worth investigating.

These circulars are my personal notes and impressions around what goes on around his work – after he’s died. I always take history into perspective.

I am not a leader either and want no followers of any sort, but always welcome new friends.

Previous Issues

This might be the last circular I write on this topic… never know… I have given a number of talks and lots of smaller discussions, and continue to adjust the delivery based on perceived need. Right now I feel a need for a book – working title “book of love” – to summarize the key messages I’ve learned from life… A very rough outline is linked at the top of my online journal: www.rezajournal.com

Older issues of these circulars can also be found on www.rezamusic.com (direct link to circulars section)

New Videos

Interviews / Dialogues

Amazing 93 year old friend.

This video was taken a few months before Tom passed away. See the end of this document for some feedback about the interview…

Talks By Reza Ganjavi in English

Talks By Reza Ganjavi in Persian

An oldie but goodie: “Is there anything sacred in life?” www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/is-there-anything-sacred-in-life-full-version.php

Lots of other videos I produced including talks with smokers, etc. are on www.rezatv.com

Experiential Metaphysics : The Immensity

From www.rezajournal.com

18 March 2014 - The immensity

As the sun went down from its peak, and workers got off work after a hard long day of construction work, a sacredness filled the air and penetrated the being. It lasted throughout the flight -- in the airport among the busiest of announcement PA's I've ever seen -- annd in the flight. The third eye bursting with intensity -- the brain utterly quiet -- and an intensity which nothing could disturb.

Thought could naturally be quiet because the practical aspects of life was in order so there was nothing for thought to do -- of course there are things to do -- many things -- but there is no disorder and that immeasurable immensity itself made thought very quiet.

The otherness is intense

The otherness IS intensity

People who do drugs and alcohol effect the brain to tune into that intensity

But the tool gets damaged - the biology gets out of balance -- and while a glimps of the otherness might be possible because of the sad state of the being it doesn't go far -- take the example of caffeine for example, which is so cherished as "normal" way of being by corrupt traditions -- but caffeine is a toxin and in most cases even "normal" consumption leads to the body / nervous system losing their state of peace, and get stressed -- stress is a state of discomfort -- comfort is necessary for peace -- brain can only be totally quiet when the organism is in peace, comfort. Of course people "get used" to drugs after regular consumption but what that really means is, getting dull, less sensitive, more stressed, less comfortable, less peaceful, etc., at least biologically, and the brain is physical!

To perceive the otherness the biology has to be in tune and balanced in every way including blood sugar etc -- but that is not enough.

The window needs to be open for the breeze to come -- and the room put to order.

Any sense of self / activity of thought -- however cherished by the corrupt tradition of mankind which has made this mess we're living in with endless wars and irresponsible destruction of nature -- has to come to an end, naturally and not by force. That is the cleaning of the room andopening of the window.

That intensity can be perceived, tuned into, naturally when there's order and thought has ended its need to be active

When thought naturally gets quiet - other centers in brain get active which allow the being to perceive the otherness which is pure intensity.

And boom!

“Most Profound Modern Thinker”

Dr. Theodore Kneupper, one of the philosophy professors who takes interest in the work of Krishnamurti said the following in a video interview (paraphrased). He recalls meeting K and had a similar experience as I did when I met him.

called David Bohm “one of the most profound physicists of the century. He went much further than Einstein, Heizenberg, etc. Most other physicists at the end of their career say “we don’t know what the hell it means – we know it works but don’t ask me what it means. Bohm is one of the few people who tried to make sense out of what modern physics is saying…”. He came across a K book (Awakening of Intelligence) in a bookstore and paged through it and saw K saying the known and the knower are one… a theme K talked frequently about that you are one with what you know – there’s no difference between you and what you know. Bohm thought this is what I’ve come to realize in physics, and he sought K to talk with him. They became very good friends till death… More on this in Youtube video called “Outer Streams Jiddu Krishnamurti, part 5 of 6” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGxbaMO_0YA

"I cannot think of a more important thinker in this century than J.Krishnamurti. While Whitehead, Wittgenstein, Heidegger, and Sartre in the West, and Radhakrishnan, Aurobindo, Suzuki, and Fung in the East have all given us very important analyses and syntheses that continue to shed light upon the important issues of the day, there is none, in my estimation, who has penetrated those issues with such depth and simplicity of language as Krishnamurti. His thought will remain a most important source for insight relating to both the intellectual understanding and practical solution of the most important philosophical questions that mankind is facing in this era."

Dr. Ted Kneupper Professor Emeritus of Philosophy at Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania.

Would K Have Dissolved The KFA?

Please see document home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/k_kfa_2014.html

Review of Mark Lee’s Talk

Recently, Mark Lee, the previous Executive Director of KFA (before Jaap Sluijter who’s the current executive director), and trustee of both KFA and KFI, gave a talk at the Study Centre in Bangalore. It was somewhat disappointing to hear him say some of the things he said, but not surprising – such focus on the person with little time spent on the teachings. It again reminded me of Mary Lutyens’ line about some of the people who were close to K (see below) – it doesn’t have to be that way and I believe it entirely depends on the person – I’m sure some of the people who were close to K did not “burn” – I know a few. Anyway, Mark said he wasn’t a friend of K but an associate, and how close he was to him is irrelevant.

The impression that I got hearing him was “where is the teachings” ? The focus is repeatedly on the person, his way of being, and very troublingly, a movement of idolizing K as some kind of a super species. This is a dangerous line of thought because while K was extraordinary in many ways, to portray him as something so different than or superior to “us” as Mark puts it, puts K on a pedestal, which is contrary to K’s own message as I understood it and inhibits the understanding of what he pointed to by putting the focus on the man vs. the message, something K warned about extensively, and in fact this may be the very reason for those who spent a lot of time with K but it all went over their heads because they focused too much on the person – if Mark was one of them or not, is not my call.

The psychological impact of that line of thinking (implicit idolizing by putting him on a pedestal) is interesting. It could relieve a person from having to face the challenges K puts forth by thinking, oh, K was a super man, he was privileged, he didn’t have to work for a living, and all such nonsense I’ve heard over the years which people say, which I believe is just a justification for not wanting to take on the challenges which are intense, powerful, and disturbing to status quo.

Fact of the matter is, each person can investigate deeper questions of life and find truth. Each person can also come upon the ground, the movement which is beyond time and thought by ending the movement of the self, time, thought. This was not something exclusive to K or any elite group.

For example. Mark said, “There were things about him that made him different from the rest of us. He was a person who didn't use memory the same way we use memory.”

I find this mentality of “him vs. us” – especially the “us” part, is problematic, especially coming from a trustee. Of course he is free to express his opinions and beliefs but they don’t make sense. There is no “us” vs. K. It’s about each person. And the “us” are not all in the same boat – there are many who are suffering from being caught in their own self-made psychological prisons – and others who find the true meaning and root of freedom. I find this “us vs. K” a mediocre idea, and right along the traditions of idol making.

The other side of the coin of putting an idol on a pedestal is shooting him down – the kind of things that Ravi Ravindra did in his awful book “two birds on one tree” which IMO only points out the fragmentation and lack of unity in the author’s mind (see above for link to document about KFA and Ravi’s talk there).

Mark made it such a big deal that K lived without craving! Wow! How extraordinary! Well the fact is, some of “us” :) have taken on those challenges and brought an end to craving which at the root of it is psychological. Whether the body gets hungry or not or a person asks for food or juice or water or not is nothing noble – what is very noble in this world of desires and superficiality, is to end psychological craving which has a big part in psychosomatic craving which for example many smokers feel.

“He wasn't concerned about food, certainly not the way we are” – again, by “we” maybe he’s referring to 1/3 of Americans who are obese or 2/3 who are overweight because there are many who are not part of that “we” Mark likes to project. There are many who enjoy food but don’t eat it to quench some psychological shortcoming or craving or to find happiness or remove anxiety.

In minute 23:47 he says something that totally discards Michael Mendizza’s argument that the teachings are all-or--none. Mark said K told him to understand a little part of the teachings you understand all of it. I don’t believe this just as I don’t believe the idea that it’s all-or-none. Perhaps K said this to Mark to encourage him to understand a little part of it?!

Mark’s notion of “discipline” also made me wonder, did he understand what K said about the subject? K talked many many times about discipline meaning learning – as related to the word disciple. To Mark discipline was K saying he liked uncomfortable chairs because they keep him awake!

Mark talked about a question he asked K – which I think is a totally senseless question – i.e., did anybody understand you? What does this say? It says, the questioner obviously hadn’t understood K otherwise he wouldn’t ask K has someone understood you because if he had understood K he would know that there is at least one person so he wouldn’t ask the question.

Poor K! It’s really sad, I believe, for a person to go around for 65 years and then some people around him don’t understand him. Anyway, K said, ya, maybe Dr. Anderson. But I know as a matter of fact there are many many many who have understood K and not just a little bit but a lot! And the challenges he poses and discovery of what the pointers point to have turned their lives upset down.

What’s disturbing, is, if Mary Lutyens is right, then is it surprising that the foundations turn up like what we’re witnessing with KFA (see section above), since some of the same people are running them.

On that note, Mark confirmed what I already had found out, that K’s highly quoted statement in his last days about nobody having understood him was explicitly directed towards people around him. (See “Myth of Nobody Got It” in my past circulars – see this document’s header).

Minute 50 – paraphrasing “We were standing there - 7 of us - meeting about something - K was in bed - he looked at us and said noone has understood him – we were certain - we confirmed afterwards - that he was talking about us - not humanity but us."

Here’s a fun one. According to Mark in 1966 they taped Oak Grove talks for the first time, on tape, then loaded the tapes onto a bomber plane, flew it to East Coast and beamed down to high schools’ sociology classes etc. – What an amazing technology in 1966 !!

I believe Mark misinterprets K (K warned about interpreters for a long long time) by saying K didn’t bring examples. That is flat out untrue. K brought many examples in his talks – like jealousy, anger, etc. etc. but if someone didn’t understand him, these things must have been taken literally. The process K was describing about jealousy or anger hold true in many many more areas and those were examples. That’s just one example!

Here’s another disturbing statement coming out of a Trustee of two of foundations: “I feel that all of Krishnamurti is esoteric. 100M words is esoteric.”

ESOTERIC?! 100 million words of K are esoteric. Poor K!!

He didn’t stop there – he went on to say, that since K didn’t talk about reincarnation, karma, and extra terrestrials, it doesn’t mean they were not part of the teachings – they were (minute 1:04:58)

Great! So extra terrestrials were also part of K’s teachings!

I believe this is reckless interpretation, dilution, and raises bigger questions about the foundations – actually not question because the facts are pretty clear. As K said you are the world and the world is you!

Modern Philosophy

Dr. Thomas Metzinger who teaches philosophy at the Mainz University in Germany, visited the Swiss gathering last year. It was good that he was there as he brought new ideas, and fresh perspectives to the gathering. Here are a few notes and impressions / opinions based on the talk/Q&A session he held, and the dialogue group we both were in.

- He discussed a number of fields of science where these bigger questions are being asked. Some of the insights obtained from these disciplines are interesting, however limited. I respect true science (vs. esoterics for example) a great deal, however, scientific method is limited and especially so when it comes to the study of the human psyche.

- He spoke of interesting research done in the field of “Mind Wondering” and the “Default Mode Network” (DMN). Discussion around control, autonomy, autonomous process, creative incubation (insight), l.t.memory encoding, internal probing, self deception, optimism bias, depressive realism, phenomenology of identification, etc.

- Of course K sheds a lot of light in this field but probably most of the researchers and the subjects were not exposed to it. The concepts such as total awareness of one’s inner state which would include the DMN; emptying of consciousness of its content, which would include the DMN; the whole subject of order and natural quietness; controller being the controlled; and that immense movement which is beyond time and thought…

- The hypothesis some of this research makes could greatly benefit from K’s insights… concepts like is there a function to mind wondering.

Scanning my notes, here’s a great line from the professor: “Lying to yourself makes you a more effective aggressor” which sheds a lot of light onto behavior or cyber bullies. Reminds me of this passage from The Brothers Karamazov:

“Above all, do not lie to yourself. A man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point where he does not discern any truth either in himself or anywhere around him, and thus falls into disrespect towards himself and others. Not respecting anyone, he ceases to love, and having no love, he gives himself up to the passions and coarse pleasures, in order to occupy and amuse himself, and in his vices reaches complete bestiality, and it all comes from lying continually to others and to himself.”

- It occurred to me that had the researchers, including the good professor, delved deeply into what K points to experientially, the research would have been more interesting…

Writing this I took a detour into the cultural aspect, because so much of Western philosophy is missing the important mystical intuition.

…set of pointers and challenges, some of which are grasped easier by some than others, and some cultures than others, as K himself mentioned. Why is that? I believe, having traveled to almost 70 countries, a number of factors are involved in this such as degree in which the minds have historically involved themselves in such questions, role and place of love vs. thought, etc. etc. – like we see in heavily thought dominated societies there’s more unhappiness despite riches).

- Furthermore, the whole field of philosophy has unfortunately caught the specialization epidemic. A philosophy student I met at the University of Santiago de Compostela who was familiar with K had this to say about the subject (video titled: “What’s wrong with mainstream philosophy”: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIFg_hHqgE ). “Wisdom” in “love of wisdom” which is the meaning of philosophy, is being replaced by “knowledge” which has an entirely different dimension.

- Ancient philosophers employed mysticism to a great deal in their inquiry – as Krishnamurti and Steiner and a few others have attempted to do in the modern age. I find K to be particularly profound, deep, and clear – but he’s not a specialist or a theoretician. His work is extremely practical and can not be grasped from an experiential aspect,

- The professor maintains that Sheldrake is nonsense. I pointed out, not to defend Sheldrake, that history of philosophy has had much worse nonsense – and fame of a modern thinker is not a criteria as many great people in history were not famous during their lifetimes.

Here’s an interesting essay by Dr. Mentzinger “Spirituality and Intellectual Honesty”:

http://www.blogs.uni-mainz.de/fb05philosophie/files/2013/04/TheorPhil_Metzinger_SIR_2013_English.pdf

Book Review

Review of “The Last Guru - by Patrick Foster” by Reza Ganjavi

I know Patrick and have respect for him. Came upon his book "The Last Guru" and tried to read it. Went through the book but from the first page it was evident something fundamental was missing. By the end it became clear what: the author missed a very key element of what Krishnamurti was about.

It's a fair question to ask whether K was guru despite him saying repeatedly he was not - I've asked this question many times myself given the timing of his presence which coincided with popularity of guru-dom. Nevertheless, having met K in person and having examined the question deeply, it is clear to me that he offered some pointers and challenges which are highly unique in modern times - we'd have to go back many years to find this level of depth. In Iran, Rumi scholars are saying they understood parts of Rumi which were not understandable after they read Krishnamurti.

I have a degree in philosophy and have studied many authors and great thinkers' works. I could understand Hegel much better having read K - something even my own philosophy professor said he envied.

I have also read about 80 books by Krishnamurti. I am not his follower. To be a follower of a man who spent a life time inquiring into truth is a disgrace to say the least - but that's not why I'm not a follower.

Krishnamurti is a set of pointers and challenges. He is not important. Patrick is caught on the person - the person is not important. If I say I saw a flower down the road and smelled it and it enriched my life, you can go smell it if you want - I'm not important. If you do - you've had a first hand experience.

Many of what K talks about is meaningless without that first hand experience and Patrick seems to have missed what the pointer is pointing to and instead is caught on analyzing why the pointer can't possibly be pointing to a flower, or anything.

He does give some value to some of K's explorations but I found myself regularly smiling while reading the book because the subject had gone over Patrick's head completely :)

I'm not sure which followers he's talking about. I don't know many "followers". Krishnamurti didn't have a cult - not just that he didn't want followers, he adamantly refused to be followed.

Some of the organizations set up around him (which were set up out of utter necessity, which he dreaded, wanted to dissolve, called idiotic) are diluting his work. Yet his works are published and hopefully will remain unadulterated.

His work is clear to a diligent student who experiments with the pointers and challenges he poses and that exploration opens so many doors, psychologically, and in daily life, while Patrick is trying to figure out what was K's image of himself. Don't be surprised if you don't find it Patrick - because it didn't exist as far as I can tell. Find out if you can live without an image of yourself. If so, this will be more meaningful.

Patrick insists of K having been a guru. K spent 65 years talking against the whole business of gurudom. You can insist all you want but K was not a guru to me as a guy who met him and read many of his books. If you don't know what Guru means, go to Yogananda's retreat and talk to his followers! It's a disgrace to call K a guru yet Patrick insists on it. So be it :)

I tried hard - because I am not closed minded - to take this book seriously but I couldn't. There are too many logical inconsistencies arising from the author's lack of understanding of Krishnamurti.

What is important is for each person to examine key questions of life for themselves. K is to be challenged so in that spirit, I appreciate Patrick's attempt -- it seems he had some insights but how they developed and articulated doesn't make this book that valuable, in all due respect to the author whom I know love and respect.

Good wishes

Reza Ganjavi

London Underground Posters

KFT made a bold move by promoting profound philosophical sayings of K through massive posters in London Underground, for which I admire them and think it’s a great idea. I sent in some suggestions for saying for the future as K has so many great quotes which are universally applicable and directly resonate with the average metro traveler who is probably thinking about areas thought was not meant for, suffering in some way, etc., which is not sectarian.

For example, “truth is a pathless land” while profound and true, doesn’t mean much to average Jane/Joe, doesn’t provide a challenge or point to any profound wisdom other than possibly coming across as “oh this is another path which is about no path”. Keep in mind the background which is all about division – a million and a half parties are trying to say their way is the right way – of course K doesn’t provide a way, method. system, belief, anything to follow, etc. but the first encounter is likely to be met with that conditioning… Regardless, this advertising is a great opportunity to put ginger in people’s minds, as K was quoted as saying by someone I know.

They also selected some great passages. So, kudus to KFT. More info here:

http://friendsofbrockwoodpark.org.uk/Undergroundposters.html

http://kft.org/#slide3

K in K Schools (again)

“Yes K schools need to show the kids more of what K was about. When he was alive he would speak there -- so showing videos only makes sense -- or studying what he had to say -- it's so easy that he just becomes a name in the distant past if his immense work is not actively discussed.” A Trustee.

In my last circular I wrote about this subject (link). Since then had this communication with a trustee who was close to K:

I wrote: “X said K said don't talk about these deeper subjects to kids (as an excuse why K is absent in OGS).

Is this true?

When did he say that?”

The response I got was: “oh no! This is stupid, and a lie.”

Another response from trustee who was very close to K was “I never heard that from K. This is now in the realm of hearsay and, as such, I would tend to discount it.”

I think the proof is in the pudding: there are many videos of K talking with little kids about deep subjects (e.g. Rishi Valley 1985 talking about image making, fear, etc.).

My own experience has been that little kids do understand a lot more than we imagine them to.

Anyway, I don’t think it’s a problem not talking about these deeper questions to little kids – but when I meet 17 year old graduates of the K school in USA who’ve not read a single book by him, and who hadn’t a single class or hour dedicated in their busy curriculum to discuss these deeper questions, I wonder!

Teaching it through the ambiance doesn’t cut it, IMO. It’s a shame to be so close to this and yet so far away – as one ex-trustee put it, they sometimes are ashamed to use K’s name. I understand it’s not good to get caught in the persona but that’s a far away danger and definitely not a risk. How can there be time for a rock music class in the US school and not time for an inquiry hour?

See here for more discussion on the subject including an important view of a trustee who is a long term educator.

As for what K said and not said, we have to be careful about this as human history is full of cases of people setting themselves up to be spokesperson for a great thinker while they were not even that close to him when he was alive. So I take everything that’s well documented as facts, and the rest, with a grain of salt.

To say it’s transmitted through the “atmosphere” is the easy way out and an excuse to ignore the subject – of course the atmosphere is important but it’d be a disgrace to not discuss the great work of the founder and make him eventually become just a name and rely on the atmosphere to produce miracles!

This kind of thing, again, reminds me of the Mary Lutyens statement about burning by being too close to the sun… if people (including those around him or those who portray themselves as having been close to him) have explored the tremendous challenges and pointers that K then they would be able to live and talk and breath that immensity which this great work points to, and would want that to be at least mentioned to their children, in their school.

Inquiry Sunday

Picked this up from a website:

“The Sunday afternoon session began with a video of two people, Dr. Harshad Parekh and Reza Ganjavi, who have had a long time interest in Krishnamurti holding a dialogue together. The conversation was quite far ranging and included such issues as the ease or difficulty of understanding K's teachings, what is meant by freedom from fear and conflict, what it means to live the teachings in daily life, and the extent to which K himself actually lived what he was talking about. It seemed that the video was very provocative and aroused some strong responses in the eight participants, leading to some valuable insights or at least questions to be with.”

The video referenced is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1fFp_sQNdg

Erich Schiffmann: Think on These Things

In an interview with a yoga magazine Erich Schiffmann, an ex-Brockwood Park student, and one of the most successful yoga masters of our time, speaks about Krishnamurti’s book “Think on These Things”:

“I remember thinking it was the best book I’d ever read. I didn’t read anything except Krishnamurti after that for the next few years. “

K advised Erich to study with his yoga teacher Desikachar. (reminder: K only did yoga for bodily health).

Erich later asked Joel Kramer, a self-taught yogi in the 1960’s for a lesson. Kramer’s had just one request: “A personal introduction to Krishnamurti.” Erich agreed.

I took a group lesson with Erich but he agreed to give me a private lesson.

I learned some of the exercises that K did from someone K personally taught.

Gathering For The Young

Visited the young people gathering in Switzerland – years ago we started this nice gathering but I hadn’t gone for some years. It was great to meet some folks who were thirsty and were drinking at the well of wisdom.

Well of Wisdom

Talking about the well of wisdom, I remember my college days when I started formal studies in philosophy – I could smell the well of wisdom – and viewed an essential part of education as drinking from that well and being able to carry the water. i.e., discourse about it and share it. Over the years came to see many minds and lives get healed through drinking the waters of wisdom, insight, understanding, and philosophy (love of wisdom).

Krishnamurti was one of my many teachers and I sure have learned a lot from him.

Quote by a Young Person

I came across a K book in a bookstore. Opened it and started reading. It was the first time in my life that I could read something which addressed the deep questions that were on my mind. I read the book there till the shop’s closing, bought it, and read several other books later too.

I went to a dialogue in the big city but it seemed superficial and more like tea time and socialization – so I didn’t go any more.

Mysteries Abound

Last night every one quiet after an improvisation sessions with voice and various instruments – suddenly one note was played – nobody touched the keyboard. I think it was an angel. What else could it have been?

Once in the kitchen in Brockwood a student pointed and said to K he sees an angel. K acknowledged saying (shush) meaning “I see it too – be quiet about it”.

Mysteries are abound… many stories to tell… but the important thing is that other movement which has been downplayed by education… so people grow to become thinking machines instead of in tune with that otherness, which is love.

In this little mountain village church bells are played manually. On the last day, theme from Beethoven’s Symphony 9 was being played by the church’s unimposing, sweet sounding bells – unlike in the German part where the church bells are heavy strong extremely loud annoying and go at all odd hours to the point that some Swiss people have sued a church about it.

Miscellaneous Notes

Saw on a video, K made a mistake saying Arabic script goes from left to right (it goes from right to left).

Image prevents extraordinary flowing of love.

Image making is an act of laziness.

leisure means not to be occupied. It's only then we can learn - by watching - when the mind is empty - it's important to have leisure - not to be always obliged, occupied - that also becomes an escape - it gives some security - many people are nervous about being nothing - empty - quiet - which is very powerful because only with that quietness and space we can observe and learn........

Role of method is in making a cake and not in ending of fear.

Passion For Education

K’s passion for education is very touching. I was recently watching the discussions he had with parents and teachers in 1977 in Ojai and he spends a long time going through the importance of raising kids who have no fear – who are free to observe and learn – and discussed many related important topics like … love!

As I was walking away, two French speaking ladies complemented the singing away.

Trap of Organization

A friend involved in the official work for many years wrote:

“I always enjoy your writings. You are one of the few sane people in this rather strange K world. I wonder why some people can move so far away from everything K stood for. They listen for years to his words and they take part in meetings and discussions, but they never really look at themselves in an honest way (although they talk a lot about it!). This, unfortunately, seems to be a widespread phenomenon among many so-called spiritual people.”

“I liked your remark: 'I can't rely on psychic powers to read people's minds' :-)

With regard to M … he came across as a man with some temperament, and of course I know you as a thoroughly calm and rational person.

Apart from that, you are raising quite a few quite important points, like the emphasis apparently given by the foundations to the fact of someone having been close to K in order to qualify for certain positions within the foundations or committees. This, of course, is a ridiculous criterion, which, apart from contradicting the non-sectarian and non-esoteric core of the teachings themselves, is completely irrelevant in an area where only solid qualifications should count.

Along the same lines, I find that feedback or comments on the work of the foundations must come from people who are not directly affiliated with the foundations or employed by them. Provided they are listening, this will ensure a democratic development of the foundations, free of nepotism and hidden agendas.”

“What has personally struck me most is the tendency of many K oldies to tell you that 'nobody has understood K'. It seems to be so important to some of those people that no one has understood that it has almost become a religious dogma. I think this may go back to K himself as he often expressed a concern that he was talking to himself, and that no one was really listening seriously or getting the point. Because of this, and an undue respect for 'the master', it has almost become a mortal sin or sacrilege to frankly tell people within this community that K is quite easy to understand, and that you actually know what he is talking about. As I said in my previous mail, when I first read him, and that was just a few lines in a book, I was so overwhelmed by how true his words were, and how I felt they spoke directly to me, and I since then I have been somewhat puzzled when people kept saying that he is impossible to understand.

I think there is another reason for this 'dogma', besides the fact that K said something along those lines himself, and it is the fact that it makes the teachings more 'esoteric'. They are not for everyone, and they require years and years of studying and analysis, and, of course, endless dialogues. And in the end you don't understand anyway. At least this is what they want you to believe. [Reza’s note, I believe it’s laziness more than anything, and a subtle way to discard the message by discrediting the messenger, which means, not having to bother taking on the challenges he poses].

All of this goes against one of the basic tenets of the teachings which is that 'the first step is the last step', and that there can be no gradual learning when it comes to seeing the 'what is'. A progression in learning only takes place when you are learning a skill or something, not when you are looking at yourself. Either you do or you don't. And when you do the transformation is instant.”

Corruption of Buddha’s Work

It is credibly documented that in a remote monastery Buddhist monks who spent their entire lives meditating in special boxes – hours on end – perhaps 15 hours a day – said the hardest thing is controlling the mind !! Did the whole tradition take a wrong turn trying to deduce what Buddha say – dilute it – (sounds familiar?) – and eventually turn it into something meaningless based on fundamentally flawed notion that the controller is different from the controlled!!

I am absolutely not a Buddhist but I could imagine he didn’t have to control his mind, and quietness, stillness, nirvana, was as natural, unforced, unintentional, as raindrops. When a person learn the limitations of the stream of thought-time, that stream comes to an end – but it’s not something that can be forced. A breeze can’t be forced but the window can be opened. That other movement is always there but it’s only a free mind that can perceive it. Freedom can’t be forced and is not the result of control, but a natural consequence of order. The silence which is forced is not the eternal silence.

Passion for Education

Had a lovely visit from a Brockwood graduate. It’s amazing to hear the culture of the place as compared to other schools and what is emphasized. Friedrich kindly shared an insights about people who keep asking what is the best preparation for life after Brockwood whilst he thought, the answer, is Brockwood :) – I haven’t researched the subject to know enough about how well Brockwood does academically whilst the rest of the world are burning with competition and brutalities that go along with it. Luckily Brockwood doesn’t have that and yet still prepared the students well enough for “life after”. What stands out for me loud and clear is, looking at the Letters to Schools regularly,

Krishnamurti had an immense passion for education – a sentence I’ve often repeated to teachers I meet is, it’s only thought right education that one can bring about new humans who bring about a new society. Put that against the background of the decadent society, corrupt tradition, and shallow, instant, superficial, competitive mentality that influences young people – where there’s even competition in pursuit of pleasure! An educator surely has a handful. And one of the best preparations for this challenge is to take on the challenges and explore the pointers that this person who dedicate his entire life to right education poses.

Trap of Dialogue About Dialogue

There is a great tendency in many dialogue groups conducted around the work of K to dodge the essential questions which ultimately lead to and require dissolution of the psychological self. One of the most common ways of doing this is to have a dialogue about dialogue. At any point a big challenge is avoided by escaping back to the horse that's already been beat to death - of what is dialogue. I've grown allergic to this question because it often seems to be an ideal, like moksha, samadhi, nirvana, liberation, enlightenment, or some sort of spiritual orgasm which may or may not happen.

Flow is not such a noble criterion. Chit chat and gossip can also have a seamless timeless flow.

The need for outer space seems to be related to lack of inner space. One who has inner space - lives a life of inner quietude - doesn't mind too much when people respond quickly to each other. It's good to take time, inhibit, pause, and it's a good experiment to not respond to any remarks in a dialogue group without some pause, space -- an idea which some vehemently oppose, which is the same as those who oppose quick responses to others.

When a person has space in their daily life, they have space in a dialogue group. If they don't have space in their daily life, which includes the state of the body (e.g. whether it's stimulated...), then they try to either fill the dialogue group with noise, or use the group as a means of finding space and become impatient with those who may have a quick mind - or for whatever reason are quick responders.

If after 25 years the same folks are trying to figure out what dialogue is, perhaps it's not something to be figured out :)

Perhaps the time together needs to be used -- instead of trying to reach an ideal state of relating and communication which can end up in hours and years of often useless dialogue about dialogue -- to address questions that come about in people's minds who watch a video, read a book, hear a phrase, meet a passerby who says something profound, a challenge they're faced, a pointer they come about.

Victoria Boutenko’s Selection of K Quotes, Green Smoothie Retreat

Victoria Boutenko, the world-renounced author, goddess and founder of the Green Smoothies revolution kindly invited me to a Green Smoothie retreat where I gave a talk about K (video here).

She handed out this set of quotes to her participants: home.datacomm.ch/rezamusic/quote_k.html#victoria

Incidentally, the translator who translated her books into Russian is the same person who translated K books into Russian.

Victoria holds healthy retreats all over the world. More info on her work can be found on www.rawfamily.com|

Soma

Interesting article about Soma: http://www.huxley.net/soma/index.html

I don't agree with him on everything but it does remind be a bit about when K talked about the origins of yoga (which was on rare occasions). He referred to the ancient kings who used to eat a plant which would keep them young and when that plant was no longer found they invented yoga.

Of course throughout the years, especially the last couple of decades yoga has totally lost its significance and became just another form of exercise in the West and like music genres regularly I hear of new kinds of yoga – in Santa Cruz I even saw a “punk yoga” class where yoga was being done to punk music!

The Self Market

I call the section on the following authors/speakers “self market” because in the work of both of these new age / pop psychology / or whatever you call it – the self is always there and that’s a big deal because the self feels good, the self sells, the self wants to continue and is not going to pay for anything that calls for the annihilation of the self :-)

So as I go through Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle, what stands out vividly is that, the self is always there!

Many marketing oriented ideologies glorify the self – all those Est, Forum, Landmark etc., were based on self-crystallization. Ideologies which promote dangerous ideas as you are the light, you are God, etc. – which the ego gets a hold of and it’s a kiss goodbye to the Otherness, to love, to that vast powerful movement which is beyond time-thought. Eckhart Tolle does just that.

Krishnamurti, on the other hand, being as deep and genuine as he is, like the likes of other great ones who came before him, like Rumi, talks about the total ending of the psychological self.

Steven Smith once told me someone asked K about the cross and what it symbolizes and K responded, the naughting of the self!

UPDATE: Duncan sent this:

About the cross and no 'I', I heard K say similar last week to staff at the new Oak Grove School: 'Religions have said: cut out your ego. The cross, it meant that: cut out the 'I'. And yet they haven't done it.'

Byron Katie

Byron Katie has found a way to make a LOT of money by selling a method which has some truth in it but it's nothing noble. People like J. Krishnamurti and Rumi have been saying these things far longer than Katie and they refused to systematize it. Systematizing it reduces it. So you pay a lot and what you get is a reduced version of something much bigger.

Now she's doing seminars and charging a ton of money -- and her trainers also have to pay a lot of money to stay certified -- it's all gotten sucked into a money making scheme and self hypnosis.

If people who felt the world needs to be changed did nothing about it we'd still be living in stone age.

Insight IS action. [I added the rest of the text later:] Katie didn't invent this. On the other hand, I think she’s misunderstood a fundamental concept, which is about the art of observation: to take no action inwardly, such as judging what one sees, to let what-is flower, etc. – and she’s promoting this idea, it seems to me, as not taking action outwardly, tolerating, accepting, putting up, being passive, which is a dangerous idea and nothing new – that idea has been promoted by Lao Tsue and people who came before him. But Western Civilization has made great strides in science and technology, because luckily they did not follow what Byron Katie promotes.

“loving what is” is such an abused concept. A person is starving – try to tell them to love starving. There are a gazillion examples. I suspect this whole concept came from her lack of understanding what Rumi and Khayyam and K and others were talking about (LOL)! If want this opened up please email me – I don’t feel like doing it here because it’s so obvious!

Morten Tolboll did an elaborate critique of Byron Katie’s The Work and shows several holes in it and calls it a cult:

http://m.friendfeed-media.com/b769cfd1fdae786f3dce1513562536660f639bff

For example:

“The turnaround technique must be a dream for any bully, liar or manipulator. If you are critical, then this is due to your own false thoughts.”

http://mortentolboll.weebly.com/a-critique-of-byron-katie-and-her-therapeutic-technique-the-work.html

Eckhart Tolle

Power of now is a truth which ET did a good job of bringing attention to however, he fell short of annihilating the psychological self. I have not read all his books nor have I heard all his talks but I've read and heard enough to conclude just like other new age psychology and self help gurus like Byron Katie he does the right business move and wrong moral move of not talking about total ending of the psychological self. I don't allege he does so on purpose but given his exposure to the work of JK, there's no excuse for him not to know -- or did he selectively listened?

What Tolle teaches is wrong and misleading. It promotes the ideas of choice, control, becoming, separation, and methods as means to an imaginary liberation. ET has even begun to look like ET -- he says he doesn't think much which might be a problem because thinking has its right place (vs. the misleading idea he promotes) -- and he makes fun of people whose faces turn into frawns after years of confusion but his posture speaks volumes about his own "liberation".

But ET had much better posture. Tolle looks like a hunchback.

I can’t stand listening to Eckart Tolle. He’s so slow, dull, and boring.

He's read all his books and listens to his audios every day. Yet he said his thought is restless and he's failed at practicing the power of now and asked for even more instruction than all the books he's read and daily audios he's heard.

Tolle goes on with jokes and so on but doesn't give the poor guy the scoop - why? I don't know. He said the guy's mind is restless because he's addicted to thinking, and because his mind tries to get away from "simplicity and is-ness of the present moment".

What he fails to tell him is, understand why your mind is restless! So simple and so much missing from the Tolle's cult in which he subtly has himself as the guru -- as the spiritual teacher -- yet to dodge the burden he says it's the consciousness that's important -- yet he gives undue importance to himself by saying the guy was able to not think in Tolle's presence and the fact that the guy is able to listen to Tolle without thinking is proof that it's working (LOL).

And the subject is brushed aside by jokes…

He alludes to it that thought makes you feel a sense of self – but says absence of it seems like sleep so the person avoids it. Why the holdup? I sense it’s so because, again, calling for total ending is dangerous business (and may be dangerous for business) because the listener may realize with ending psychologically he may have to end his dependence on Tolle too!

If you get tired of this surface stuff dig into J. Krishnamurti's work which taught Tolle a lot of what he knows.

Tolle’s assertions are weak – e.g. on pleasure vs. joy, separating inside from outside. He says joy comes from inside and pleasure from outside. That can’t be farther from truth – at the core of the issue is separation of inside and outside which in fact are one and the same movement. Tolle should know better! One can feel a lot of joy from seeing a smile of a child (which is “outside”) – if his argument is that the feeling of it is inside, so is the feeling of pleasure – so he must mean the cause and the above example shows the cause of joy being “outside” !!

A thorough investigation of what K points out is far richer than falling for these new age gurus.

Helen Nearing’s Book

“Loving and leaving the good life” – Helen was a friend of K when they were very young. They loved each other and in today’s words we could say they were lovers however, in those days even holding hands was a big deal (according to her book they did not do things young adults called lovers these days do).

I found her book interesting and revealing, again, in how much K was a human, and I view that as part of anyone’s greatness: to be a human. He was an extraordinary human – very intelligent and unique in many ways. At a physical level, he had the most incredibly powerful energy when I met him when he was 88, 89, 90 years old. He has a brilliant mind which comes across clearly in his writings and talks -- though I do not believe anything he says, and I am NOT his follower. What he says is a set of pointers and challenges – not something to believe.

She met K in 1921 when she was 16. K was 26. Sweet Little Sixteen! K was a speaker at a Theosophical convention she attended in Paris. (This is before K breaks away from Theosophy and goes freelance for the rest of his life not belonging to any organizations or ideologies).

“I remembered little of what he said, only the slight, dark, handsome figure on the vast illuminated stage and his halting delivery at that time.

Reading this account I remember my own youth and falling in love so easily (I still do) – and the long letters I used to write. K wrote many letters to Helen – some 12 pages long (that’s easy ;-) – actually I developed a hand injury handwriting such letters when I was younger – now I’ve almost forgotten how to handwrite as everything is typing – what is evolution going to do to our hands?! Make them look like sdfg keyboards?).

The love pouring out of his heart for this tender 16 year old is so touching when you read these letters – but it’s so usual – so human – so normal – it’s the story of my life :) being a “romantic fool” :)

I think part of it is eastern. I’ve seen a lot of men who are romantic fools in the west but something about the eastern flavor is special – just like the spice.

“The feelings he tried to express that August afternoon in Holland were something much greater than a romantic summertime love.”

“Helen and Krishna walked, talked, and bicycled together over the moors and heather fields… “

“At 26 he had never been in love until this astounding passion had come to him for the young American girl of 17”.

He wrote: “you must be great – not because it may bring you power and pleasure but because intrinsically it is right … “ and goes on to give her tips on many things including caring for the body.

Then one day she received a letter from Annie Besant…

Miscellaneous

E-books

According to Amazon.com, e-books have become so popular that they are now outselling hardcover books, with 180 e-books sold for every 100 hardcovers that go out the door,

Book Covers

I’ve written about this in past circulars, however, being in Dubai recently I noticed in one bookstore they had 15 different K books. All had his picture on them which is not good marketing, IMO, and it was a wrong decision of the foundations/publishers to personalize the books – the foundations should have known since the publishers don’t know, that it’s the message that’s more important … and some of his pictures are not particularly handsome, nor a good packaging, That is precisely the reason you don’t see Osho’s picture on many of his modern books.

Freedom

After buying Think on These Things a friend went to the park to read it and by chance sat on a bench with a label on it: “FREEDOM BAKERY” – the picture she took included the chapter title: “THE PROBLEM OF FREEDOM”.

India

"In India, people will first find a rock under a tree that looks like a lingam. Start doing pooja. Then spin some story like Rama sat here and did pooja on his way to vanavasa. Soon a temple will come up and then money will come pouring in from all directions. This circus has gone on for thousands of years." Subu Kavasseri

Another Guru For Gullible Westerners

Met a lovely young lady in America who was saving up to go to India to obtain freedom by paying a guru called Nithyananda some $6000. Excuse me, Parmahamsa Nithyananda! He looks like Yogananda, I guess, therefore the Parmahamsa has to be his prefix too. His 21-day retreat touts awakening of kundalini, transformation of relationship, explosion in health, liberation from ALL past baggage, and of course, happiness and fulfillment; “total transformation”, “anti-aging”, “bliss, joy, freedom”, “wealth”, “success”…

Let’s get real :)

New Book

New Book by Jackie Griffiths: 'Ox Herding: A Secular Pilgrimage.' A description of the journey to find... that which has never been lost. http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J2WWOYM/

Aspiring Guru & Dilution

Talking about dilution:

Indian guitarist showed up at K gathering in Switzerland and asked to play – the organizers apparently didn’t qualify him and dedicated an evening in the busy schedule to him doing a concert. Before you know it sound of chanting the Hare Krishna mantras were blasting from the basement. Half the people left – but half stayed till the end and enjoyed the entertainment (LOL)… The organizers have a learning mind so it won’t happen again. Nevertheless, the Indian aspiring guru who’s hoping to tap into the gullible-westerners market, put on his website that he did a concert at the Krishnamurti gathering !!

His new “tour” charges $45 for music and meditation which is a total rip off. The music is touted as “transforming” and all the right marketing terms are used to promote to the rich gullible Westerners. Imagine how many people in India would be willing to pay 2700 Rupees for some music and meditation!

Myth

An ex trustee / friend / close friend of K / wrote:

"Dear Reza: I too am skeptical of this quote attributed to K. We have plenty that we know he said and, in truth, if one heard just one talk, it would be enough. All these anecdotal quotes attributed to K are suspect and all of them seem to be missing something. Paraphrasing K leads to disastrous results. I think it’s best to stick with the authentic K—what we know he said—and let the rest remain unattributed. What do you think? "

I wrote: "Dear <>: I fully agree. It's been attributed by someone and on internet things get spread like wildfire. Oh well ! That's the kind of distortion that is hard to control. The kind of distortion KFA is doing is controllable. Writing some things on the subject - will be in touch. Kind Regards Reza"

Another K scholar wrote:

"Hi Reza, Greetings! I have no knowledge of this. Of course there are quite a lot of comments K made to people whose accuracy one simply can't check. I wouldn't say this one is impossible - it might be something said in the context of Nitya's death and/or be one of K's more mystical usages of language. Also, there are certainly things said by K in his early years which would not be repeated in his later ones. This might be one of those. Can't the source person be asked?All the best"

I wrote back:

"Dear <>: Many thanks indeed for your very insightful and astute answer. I fully agree -- perhaps he said it in his early years - or there are many possibilities of misquoting - for example, maybe UG Krishnamurti said it! Having read much of JK's mystical language this one still sounded foreign but we just don't know. I started trying to verify it but stopped when I realized the professor died and tracing it through his wife will take more bandwidth than I have. Hope to see you sometime soon. All the best Reza"

Crop Circles are Hoax

This might come as a shock to those who believe crop circles are made by aliens. I met several people – and only in the UK – who believe so including some heavy weights (not literal) I met at Brockwood.

A California high tech company (NVIDIA) commissioned a UK team, experts at making crop circles, to do an amazing crop circles, the perfect, complicated, beautiful ones which look to be from out of this world.

Later it was revealed it was a publicity stunt and details shattered believes that it’s the aliens who do these things – whilst it’s expert teams in the UK who like to pull people’s legs :) – I’ve always been fond of British humor.

Radha Burnier

Radha Burnier who passed away last year at the age of 90 played the role of Melanie in the 1951 movie of Jean Renoir called The River (Le Fleuve), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRGnmQA3Ig0

I appreciate your feedback, comments, and corrections.

© Reza Ganjavi, All Rights Reserved, 2014

FEEDBACK…

Thanks very much Reza for your excellent circular with its comments and links to Krishnamurti interviews and other useful things. I enjoyed hearing you talk on psychological freedom and Krishnamurti. Feel you have got the spirit or flow of undiluted intelligence which he took such immense care in discussions and his talks. It was great to be able to access the videos of K talking too... have not seen or heard these for many years... Thanks again and congratulations on the great work.!

What I value about the work you have been developing in your site, and I am specifically thinking about your action (courageous) around the activities of the official (and less official) institutions around the Teachings is that you are not compromised to any particular group or person. You are true to the…. Even Krishnamurti spoke about that during the dialogues published in The Perfume of the Teachings (first chapter: You Have Drunk at the Fountain). Respectfully. A.

“We will treasure your interview with Tom.” “Thanks from me, also, Reza. Your interview with Tom is a gift to the whole family.” “Thank you for the youtube interview with Tom. It is very moving to see him speak there, this loving vivid human.” “your video of tom is really great. And the timing too.”” Thank you very much for sending me all your works. I would like to thanks you very much especially the interview with my also friend Tom. Your questions and his answers are full of significance”Thank you, I listened to Tom's interview, what a gift.”

Hello Reza, I agree with much of what you say. There seems to be less K among certain foundations. I never met K, but his teachings revolutionized my life…

Hello, Reza Ganjavi, sadly, I agree with what you are saying. Not all people have succumbed to K orthodox. Long ago I predicted this outcome with K 'followers.' As it has progressed I've stayed away from the organization for the most part. These people are so boring and close-minded and sometimes very hard-hearted, but totally unaware of their own psyche. Yes, K would long ago have closed down this organization. We all have his books, CDs, etc. That's all we need. The K organization is becoming a money machine, which is also predictable. Please keep me informed. Where can I buy your book on the subject

Thanks Reza, I look forward with interest in reading the contents.

Thanks for the Circular. Very interesting as usual. I haven't read all of it yet. I was shocked to read the piece about KFA. I'm glad you're making a stand.

What you said on this and elsewhere moved me to quickly write down some thoughts of my own on Krishnamurti and education. They are things which have been gradually coming together in my mind

Hi Sir, Yesterday, I saw your video in krishnamurti. I am an Indian working in Dubai. Although it is wrong to say but I don't mind saying that I follow Krishnamurti. To the best of what I have understood Krishnamurti so far, you are one of very few who have understood Krishnamurti.

Hello Reza, I agree with much of what you say. There seems to be less K among certain foundations. I never met K, but his teachings revolutionized my life. To host new age things at the KFA is most definitely a dissolution of the presentation of the place and gives a wrong impression of the teachings.

thanks for 2014 Circular Related to Work of J. Krishnamurti

Thanks Reza for your Gift

hi Reza....so nice to hear from you again....i see that you did a lot of work about k and i want to say that i really loved your work about k especially on the issue regard what kfa does....i am totally against using the facilities the way the Americans use it...introducing yoga and other Hindu things....i will ready it very carefully and let you know of any remarks i may have about it...again..great work Reza.....take care my friend

I think you should run for office! Clean up this world, this country, even the world needs a lot of light workers, too much darkness rules presently.

p.s keep proceeding with your work, just know the dark souls will be very jelous and lash out because you have touched the truth and courageous enough to speak your mind.

I think you're doing a fabulous job putting things to light. There's too many sheep around following each other and not speaking the truth due to their cowardness, so proud you stand strong.

You're spreading good karma and that's very important, especially for the younger generation. Keep up the great work.

Dear Reza, Thank you for the E-Mails with your writings. Most interesting.

Hello Reza: I am grateful for the links you've sent in your last post. It is a good job and will review it slowly. Receive a warm greeting.

Dear Reza, Thanks for your circular and for 'stirring the pot'. Even if I don't agree with some of your criticisms - and I only looked at some parts - I appreciate your willingness to express your rather strongly held views. I hope they lead to meaningful reflection and dialogue.

This was from a joke someone started, exchanged through email:

"1) Have you heard of the tape wherein <> talks about space aliens dissecting the minds of unconditioned souls to use as cat food for their planet?

2) Have you heard that the pizza at Papa Lennon's are really flying saucers ?

3) Did you know extraterrestrials are part of K's teachings ?

4) Did you know they could beam streaming TV from fighter jets in 1966 to American high school psychology classes? "


*** THE END ***

On the work related (and unrelated) to the work of J. Krishnamurti -- Feb 2012 By Reza Ganjavi

On the work related (and unrelated) to the work of J. Krishnamurti -- Feb 2012 By Reza Ganjavi

www.rezamusic.com

Love does not die by itself. It can be murdered by thought, and that’s the tragedy of our thought-dominated civilization. (R.Ganjavi)

Your comments are most welcome. Reza Ganjavi can be contacted via email: (info – at – rezamusic – dot – com). For further information about RG’s work, please see: www.rezamusic.com


TABLE OF CONTENTS:

Preface. 2

Introduction. 3

Think On These Things (Again) 3

Think On These Things (Video) 4

The Queen of Green Smoothies. 4

Interview with Friedrich Grohe. 4

Is it so strange to be alone?. 5

Antipsychotic Drugs vs. Insight 5

New Videos. 6

On the Spirit and Form of Dialogue – by Ulrich Brugger 6

Getting bullied in a library. 6

Healing The (Old) Mind. 7

Thought, Disorder, Image Making, Medication, etc. 7

Question to Willem Zwart 7

Krishnamurti, Osho, UG – Some notes and recollections. 8

A Quiet Mind. 8

Thinking Too Much, Thinking Too Little. 9

A Wealth Mine of Great Quotes. 10

Professor P. Krishna’s Articles. 10

On Varanasi, K’s Powers, A. Besant, etc. – by Dr. Krishna. 11

KFA’s Refusing to Correct Error on their Website. 13

Computer models to simulate the complete brain. 13

China Book Fair 13

Sai Baba Connection. 14

Voice & Confidence. 14

KFA’s New Director 15

Two Old Friends, Pedro & Roser 15

Article on Education by Pedro López. 16

New Book on Noise by Arline Bronzaft 16

Campaign to Keep Saanenland Clean. 16

Old Books & New Books. 17

The Green Door – Notes from a retreat in Bali 18

An Email recommending some books. 18

New Books in Spanish by Dr. Galindez. 19

Why are titles so important?. 19

Speech about life love death etc. at father’s memorial 20

Dysfunctional mental health system.. 20

Bodhi Tree Closed. 21

Gatherings and Transformation. 21


Preface

February 2012

Dear Friends

The last "K related and unrelated" circular went out about 17 months ago and the one before that was 15 months earlier. I never know if there will be a next edition or not.

Older issues of these circulars can also be found on www.rezamusic.com (direct link)

Introduction

Krishnamurti is not a leader and I am not a follower. I find him to be a very brilliant person with a genuine interest to help humanity. He does not propose a new path, system, method, dogma, technique, but provides a set of pointers that a person can investigate and examine for oneself. To explore his work it's good to get a few books (e.g. on Amazon.com -- I just wrote 41 more book reviews on Amazon) and really delve in and study what he’s saying and examine those points in daily life. When we come to truth of something, it’s first hand, and the pointer is not important any more. It’s truth itself that liberates, not the pointer.

Both personally and professionally, K’s teachings have been most helpful – in solving complex problems, understanding root causes of issues, managing large teams of people, exploring the power of spontaneity, power of love, the art of questioning wondering doubting observing listening thinking together, being open to the unknown, meditation as emptying, importance of order, change as consequence of understanding, questioning the necessity of images – and the magic that comes in relationships when there is no image, and so much more.

But it is not about taking “a teaching” and applying it – K doesn’t provide any specific method or system. He is just a pointer like so many other people in our lives, to look at something, explore it. When we find something out, learn something first hand, we’re not second hand people repeating a method a mantra, but that learning has its own life and application in daily life. First hand exploration of profound truths pointed out by wise people, friends, family, etc., can blossom and enrich our life.

For example, fear is a crippling factor in many people’s lives. The challenge of whether it’s possible to live without any fear, calls for investigation of what fear is, both physically (which I found is related to meat eating) and psychologically (understanding of the whole process of thought and time) and understanding of the right place of fear in life (e.g. body’s own intelligence). So this exploration for example, leads to living without fear, like a child, without the burdens that cripple so many lives. So there is no need to worship the pointer or follow or even believe him. We can find out and if something true or not and discard the false.

Think On These Things (Again)

“Think On These Things” set me on fire as a teenage college student. It took some chapters to get familiar with the author’s vocabulary and approach, and then it started to sink in and opened many doors – it showed things I always knew but didn’t know I knew J and began to quench a thirst for tapping into a pool of wisdom which I knew was there, but I didn’t know where -- whether it’d be in the teachings of Western Philosophers, in the ancient teachings of the East, or in the mystic teachings of the Middle East. I read the Koran cover to cover, I studied the teachings of Aquinas, Aristotle, Aurelius, Berkeley, Bible, Buddha, Confucius, Descart, Dewey, Emerson, Freud, Gita, Hegel, Heidegger, Hobbes, Hume, Husserl, James, Kant, Kierkegaard, Leibniz, Locke, Machiavelli, Marx, Nietzsche, Plato, Ramakrishna, Rand, Rousseau, Rumi, Sartre, Satchitananda, Schopenhauer, Smith, Socrates, Spinoza, Thoreau, Tsu, Vedas, Vivekenanda, Watts, Wittgenstein, Yogananda, and others. I learned a lot from many of these sources. Some of the books, like The Koran, Phenomenology of Mind, and Critique of Pure Reason, were very powerful. Some highly inspiring. And Krishnamurti’s writings were mind opening. My thirst for wisdom was receiving drops of water. The greatest of authors told you, you can find water by yourself.

One of the great books I read was Krishnamurti’s Think on These Things. While I buy lots of copies of this book to gift to young people I regularly meet, there are also free versions of it on the web, e.g.

www.jiddu-krishnamurti.net/en/think-on-these-things/ (Send this link to your college student friends)

If you download a free version on others’ websites (none are offered by me for download) please consider making a donation to one of K’s schools, e.g., www.oakgroveschool.com

More on this book on www.rezamusic.com

Think On These Things (Video)

I held a conversation around this book with a friend, Vikram Ramadoss (22 June 2011) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tGqyFoHNOM

A friend who watched the video of my talk with Vikram wrote:

I had a similar feeling when I first read K... I didn't understand how anything could be organised around this unique works.... [years later] I still feel the real inquiry comes when alone... The meat thing. For sure, I feel more afraid, more worried, concerned and very heavy after eating flesh. Actually, I only eat a little fish once in a while these days. This is through feeling out what works and what doesn't, rather than a should or should not. As you point out, shoulds do not work and create friction. Which leads me neatly to the statement I liked most in the video:

"Look at what I'm doing now." It's a fun thing to say to yourself, without judgment.

The Queen of Green Smoothies

I was thrilled to have an email from Victoria Boutenko after I sent out the last circular in September 2010.

She wrote: (reprinted with permission): “Thank you for the breath of fresh air. Love, Victoria”

Subsequently she kindly sent me a couple of her books and turned me on to Green Smoothies which are one of the best inventions since sliced bread J

Victoria has authored many books which are translated in several languages. She has a strong international fan base in the health-food circles. Her whole family “The Raw Family” are involved in the Green Smoothie movement and have some nice videos and an iPhone application you can access on their website www.rawfamily.com.

About K, she writes: “I believe I have most of K's books both in English and Russian and books about him. I list him in my book 12 Steps to Raw as one of my favorite world teachers.

Interview with Friedrich Grohe

An interesting interview with Friedrich Grohe appeared in a Gstaad journal. Here’s the bulk of the interview, reprinted with permission.

Is it so strange to be alone?

K wrote about a tree alone in the field -- a star alone in the skies. I understood him to talk about the power of aloneness. Some interpret this as a call to be alone -- that's a long story -- you know -- after Sloss's junk book (due to its lack of inherent logic) some people were upset that K had an affair with a woman. He also had other women in his life - but that is in no way contradictory to his insights about power of being alone - all one. And as far as I remember he never said don't get married or don't have sex -- these were just interpretations that some people made because of their own conditioning and possibly the power of tradition which says do that and the tradition of spirituality which says don't. So it's a clash of traditions manifesting itself as conditioned values. But this is just my interpretation of interpreters of K :-)

Back to the subject of being alone, check out: 19 May 1979 talk between J. Krishnamurti and Dr. Bohm on www.rezamusic.com

K: I once was in... talked to a FBI man. He came to see me and he said, 'Why is it that you walk alone all the time? Why are you so much alone? I see you among the hills walking alone, and... why?' You follow? He thought: that's very disturbing.

Antipsychotic Drugs vs. Insight

My dear friend Angela Jaggi wrote this paper on antipsychotic medications and their side effects, history, problems, etc. (it’s in German).

In the Western world use of antipsychotic drugs seems to be totally out of hand. Our band (www.rezangela.com) performed in a wedding between a neurologist and a psychiatrist and most of the guests were of the same profession. We had good talks. One psychiatrist was familiar with K’s work. One of them spoke about the overuse of these drugs. In Switzerland, these drugs have replaced insight.

There are many situations where insight which comes from understanding, awareness, contemplation, inquiry, meditation, is lacking, and the society, the educators, do not know what it is and how to give it to the needy, many of whom are youngsters, and instead they’re given antipsychotic drugs and put in institutions for as petty situations as failing a driving test multiple times. And most of these people who are put on these drugs end up taking them for years – they cut down but many develop a dependence and become afraid of going alone without the drug. Of course Big Pharma loves it.

When I was a youngster, I learned that a lot of the kind of problems that kids in this day and age take medications for can be solved by writing, talking to a good friend, not escaping it, understanding it. It is possible and essential to be a light to one self, to one’s own mind and heart.

There is something fundamentally wrong with this overuse of antipsychotic drugs and the key is in the hands of educators, official ones, and unofficial ones like this troubadour.

In a dialogue between Krishnamurti, psychiatrist Dr. David Shainberg, and the brilliant physicist, Dr. David Bohm, Shainberg suggests that the whole society is neurotic! The conversation ends with K asking: “what takes place when thought is aware of itself ... its movement, its activity, its structure, its nature, what it has created, what it has done in the world, the misery, all the rest of it.” (Brockwood Park, May 1976).

New Videos

There are many new videos on www.rezatv.com such as:

An old fundraising for the Oak Grove School

A tour of the Oak Grove

The Ojai House

A Yoga Lesson

Psychological and physiological aspects of smoking (in 3 parts)

Talks with a new college student (in 3 parts)

Freedom From Smoking - Talk with Sridhar Govindarajan

On the Spirit and Form of Dialogue – by Ulrich Brugger

Dear Friend, Ulrich Brugger wrote the following article for this circular. There has been some interesting discoveries and experimentations about Dialogue at the Ojai Retreat. The article is on www.rezamusic.com

Getting bullied in a library

This is one incident which is very unfortunate. I am including it here but the file it’s in has no reference to K or any of his organizations by name so that internet searchers for K won’t end up seeing that file so as to immune him from association with this disgraceful conduct by people which included a couple who were around him. I’ve included this on my site under the section ARTICLES BY REZA GANJAVI ON "SPIRITUAL EXPLOITATION". However, I do feel it’s important to document it because humanity has a history of this kind of dogmatic behavior especially after a great mind dies, which usually leads to distortion and corruption. So it’s good that it’s not pushed under the carpet. Article: Vulgar Librarian on www.rezamusic.com

Healing The (Old) Mind

Saw a shocking Reuters news headline today: “Nearly 40 percent of Europeans suffer mental illness”. “Europeans are plagued by mental and neurological illnesses, with almost 165 million people or 38 percent of the population suffering each year from a brain disorder such as depression, anxiety, insomnia or dementia, according to a large new study."

Our friend viewed his objective to heal the mind. He spoke at length about being a light to oneself, understanding dependence, applying thought where it belongs, and explored in depth the roots of confusion, disorder, depression, sorrow, fear, anxiety, and what he found is very practice. It’s certainly worth exploring these and a vast array of other topics which he devoted his life to investigating. Healing the mind is at the center of it.

Isn’t it strange that richer places have more incidents of mental illness. This is a subjective assessment based on my travels to 40 countries.

Thought, Disorder, Image Making, Medication, etc.

An email and a talk about thought psychological disorder, therapy, medication, image-making, etc. – by Reza Ganjavi: [Note: this is not a medical advice] www.rezamusic.com

Question to Willem Zwart

On 1 May 2011 I wrote to Willem but four months later, have not yet received an answer. Willem teaches at the Oak Grove School.

Hi Willem: In your article you state: "Whether their discoveries will lead to full liberation and transformation, as Krishnamurti claimed that May and June in 1944 under the oaks of the Oak Grove, is still another question." Can you please point out where in those talks K talks about full liberation? Thanks. Reza Ganjavi

Here are excerpts from those talks. No reference to full liberation. Is liberation full / total / final ? I don’t think so. I also don’t think K ever referred to it as such. But it is a traditional, conditioned view that it is.

Krishnamurti, Osho, UG – Some notes and recollections

This is a very interesting exchange between three friends, Sitanshu, Subu, and Srinivas – this dialogue occurred in a small email list a friend maintains.

It essentially talks about Osho and UG being nuts :) but very sincerely and elegantly written. Sitanshu met K and Osho as a small kid and the impressions of a 4 / 5 year old of these men are interesting to read. Article is on www.rezamusic.com

A Quiet Mind

Nov 4 2011. He read the first 30 pages of Freedom From The Known with no background in this at all. He said he felt insecure and prefers to opt for security now that he has kids, because his impression was promotion of thoughtlessness. But we talked about it and I told him how I understood it. About thought having its right place and so on. First he had asked, do you believe in what’s said in that book? I: not at all.

Later he said why did you give me a book that you don’t believe in. So we talked about belief which usually means blind belief. He probed and tested me to make sure I am not some sort of a believer who wants to convert him into a system. I am not. There is no system or dogma. And I have no intention at all to influence him in a certain direction. We talked about role of pointers. It’s up to each person to examine and find truth of what’s suggested for their own.

He said his impression is it’s selfish, as in dealing with one’s own self vs. outwardly. I said the inner and outer movements are the same. He couldn’t digest that, so we went into it – being scientifically minded he grasped the idea. He asked a lot of interesting questions but a key question was: “what has it done for you?”…. I said a quiet mind. And talked about thought finding its own place and not going where it doesn’t belong and the consequences of that and nature of thought… Now I remember Francis, an old friend who died not long ago said the same thing in a so called dialogue group where we talked about how K’s teachings influences daily life… in her quiet wisdom she responded “a quiet mind”. The follow up questions were around how quietness comes about: control vs. insight…

Thinking Too Much, Thinking Too Little

Dear Friend Subu Kavasseri sent me this quote from K today. "Self-knowledge is not a process of the continuity of thinking but the diminishing, the ending of thinking. But you cannot end thinking by any trick, by denial, by control, by discipline, and so on. If you do, you are still caught in the field of thought. Thinking can only come to an end when you know the total content of the thinker, and so one begins to see how important it is to have self-knowledge."

I wanted to write about the subject of thinking too little. I understand K to point out to a very subtle aspect of the modern world which is over-thinking. Our education is based on thinking too much – so is our culture – our families – and much of what influences us – the television, the internet, advertising, endless chain of useless emails, and thinking too much about things thought was not meant for.

This is a subject which in all my years of school and university nobody every thought about yet it is so obvious that the society is miserable because of this. The modern world specially, is heavily thought dominated and the richest and ‘best’ countries are the most structured and most thought dominated.

A Swiss blues musician said of this great Swiss society, that we’ve perfected making watches and train timetables but we live in a emotional ghetto. I know people who even want to have certainty about the timing of their death. Knowledge, which is rooted in thought, has entered every corner of most societies. And as a result, these rich societies have the highest suicide rates in the world.

Krishnamurti explores this field of thought finding its right place in depth and profoundly points out certain things which I think it’s worth exploring by every serious individual who wants to live free from the chains of over-thinking. Now what about under-thinking? Is there a danger that after realizing how we over-think, thought quiets too much? This is not an intellectual discourse. It is a serious question that I ask in my daily life. To find the “right place of thought” is indeed part of the art of living – art involves putting things in their right place.

Here’s a good quote, by Subu Kavasseri: “The danger of thought is that it can slip from being essential.. to the inconsequential.. to being totally destructive in a matter of few centimeters.”

A Wealth Mine of Great Quotes

Collecting good quotes was a suggestion of our great 10th grade teacher in Tehran who got us started in writing a journal which became a life-long friend, and the best, cheapest, and most effective therapy (see reasons for writing a journal, and my current online journal: http://www.rezajournal.com)

A few years later I was further inspired by my great philosophy professor and renowned academic author, James L. Christian, whose philosophy textbooks are full of great quotes. Being a songwriter is another cause for collecting good quotes. Many great songs have been initiated by a passer-by quote. “Eight days a week” and “A hard day’s night” are just two of many examples.

Here is my collection of quotes. Enjoy (see www.rezamusic.com)

Professor P. Krishna’s Articles

If you have been to Rajghat just outside the ancient city of Varanasi (I like its old name name “Benares”), you will know that Professor Krishna is a Maharaja there. Not just because of his status/position as the head of this enormous institution, but what makes him a Maharaja is his insights, wisdom, clear mind, fairness, humanity, humility, and affection. Our views are often similar except one area where I tend to see K’s human side as very significant in who he was, while Dr. K, perhaps in having a more traditional view, sees K more as a godly figure. (Please see article below “On Varanasi, etc…” by Dr. Krishna”).

Our values seem to be similar. We give worth to basic human decency, we are both scientists, we love each other, and we are both philosophers in the sense of loving truth and wisdom (which is important for every good scientist as all sciences come from and culminate in philosophy). It is important to have a scientific mind – a scientific mind is a philosophic mind – one which can think clearly – one which takes a scientific approach to solving problems – one which operates out of inquiry and wonders about the unknown.

As Dr. K has spoken and written at length about, it is also important to have a religious mind, and to be a whole person, the two facets must coexist: to have a scientific and a religious mind – then you’re a holistic philosopher and can live life at depths of wonder not available to minds which are caught in image-making, gossip, self-centered conclusions, illusions, cravings, and burdens of the past.

A scientific-religious mind combines precision and clarity, inquiry and art of wondering, and power of reasons, with the power of love, order, harmony, understanding of one’s own limitations, and the ultimate importance of sacredness and its role in daily life.

A number of excellent articles by Professor P. Krishna on a variety of subjects can be found on his site: www.pkrishna.org

On Varanasi, K’s Powers, A. Besant, etc. – by Dr. Krishna

A wonderful email by Professor P. Krishna (reprinted with permission).

14 May 2011

Dear Reza,

Varanasi is the ancient Sanskrit name of the city. It derives from Varuna and Assi which are names of two rivers which border the town and meet the Ganges. The city is one bank of the Ganges and is bounded by these two rivers. Banaras is the Hindi name of the city and the British spelt it as Benares since they could not pronounce Banaras ! The university where I worked is still called Banaras Hindu university. The Ganges river curves in the form of an S in this region so that there is a part where it flows opposite to its overall direction. The city of Varanasi is located along this region of the curve along the convex side. The river starts from the Himalayas in the north near Uttar Kashi and flows all the way to Kolkata in the southeast to meet the sea. Several major cities of India are located on its banks and it has been the lifeline of the country.

The city also has another ancient name KASHI. It is the religious centre for the Hindus who come there in large numbers as pilgrims. They believe that if one dies in Kashi then one goes to heaven. So large numbers of old people come and live in Varanasi in old age waiting to die ! The Hindus also believe that the Ganges is a holy river and bathing in it washes away sins accumulated over centuries (several births). They also immerse the ashes of their ancestors after cremation in this river. A portion of K's ashes were also immersed here as well as at the source of the Ganges river known as Gangotri ( about 100 miles from our campus in Uttar Kashi).

Rajghat is an area just on the outskirts of the city at the eastern end. Our campus is located in this area and therefore called KFI Rajghat Education Centre. The Buddha is said to have walked through our campus on his way to Sarnath where he gave his first sermon. Krishnaji pointed out one place in it saying to Upasaniji, " The Lord sat here !" Don't ask me how he said that! I have no idea. Upasaniji also told me that there is a grove of mango trees in our rural centre campus which he had planted but they bore no fruits so he had decided to cut them down and plant different ones; but that year K came and said, " Don't cut them down. They will bear fruit, you will see." And he went and talked to each tree and next year they bore fruit !! My feeling that K had divine powers are based on such observations and is not a belief of convenience.

Krishnaji wanted 400 acres of land on the banks of the Ganges for his educational work and asked Sanjeeva Rao in 1926 to arrange it. It was an almost impossible task but it happened in a strange way. The British engineers who built the bridge over the Ganges, near Rajghat, were living in buildings on our campus (known as the Rajghat Fort) and were leaving after completing their task. Sanjeeva Rao requested the Govt. to allocate this land for K's work and they agreed asking for 25,000 rupees as the price. In those days this was an incredible sum of money but Mrs. Besant said someone has just sent a donation and asked Sanjeeva Rao to count how much it is. It was exactly Rs. 25,000 ! This is documented by Sanjeeva Rao in an article entitled, "History of Rajghat". A similar thing happened in Brockwood when K wanted to acquire the property.

Mrs. Besant lived for nearly 20 years in a house in the Kamachha campus of the Theosophical Society which is still the National Headquarters of the society in India. The adyar campus in Chennai is the international headquarters of the society. The "Order of the star of the east" organization which she set up was independent of the TS and the properties at Rajghat and Rishi Valley were purchased by her for the work of the World Teacher. The OSE was a separate group of people who were to work for the World Teacher when he manifested in K and K was the head of it. Many members of the OSE were not members of the TS. It is because this organization was a separate legal entity from the TS that these properties remained with K even after Mrs. Besant died. They did not belong to the TS ! Mrs. Besant had said that all world teachers had broken away from their past so when he manifests K he may not accept any of what the TS is saying and she wanted the theosophists to be prepared for this. She herself was personally willing to do that but the others did not agree and she was too old by then to be able to go with K. However, she called some of her best young followers and asked them to accompany K and never leave him and she told them, " However much you may disagree with what K is saying, do not reject it, for his is a consciousness that sees much father than any of us." She was perhaps the only one who really believed in her prophecy about the world teacher. The others merely accepted it on the basis of her authority and several of them even rebelled against her on this score and left her or became antagonistic. She never wavered.

In 1984 when driving in a car with Radha Burnier he asked her," Radhaji, do you believe in the Masters?". She said, "Yes, sir". To which he retorted powerfully," No, not like that. Do you know what it meant to Amma (Mrs Besant)? She would die for it! Knowing that, now tell me , do you believe in the Masters?" Radhaji said, " Yes sir" and he held her hand and said, " Good!". This tells me that K was against a belief of convenience or one acquired out of fear, not a REAL belief for which you would be willing to die.

This is what I learnt from interviews with Achyut Parwardhan and Radha Burnier.

with best wishes,

affectionately

Krishna

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:53 AM, <Reza Ganjavi > wrote:

> Dear Dr. K

> Any thoughts on "Benares" as the name or the city? I don't know when

> the name was changed -- is Varanasi relatively a new name? Why did

> they change it?

> I found out that Annie Besant worked in Benares.

> The question is open-ended :)

> Thanks

> Reza

KFA’s Refusing to Correct Error on their Website

Despite repeated friendly notices, as of Feb 2012, KFA is not correcting this error. It may not be significant but for correctness sake, let us be accurate when it is so easily possible.

The dates for these two streams are mixed up:

http://stream2.embarkd.com/library/edited-20110220-afternoon.mp3 -- is not from 2011-02-20

http://stream2.embarkd.com/library/edited-20110226-afternoon.mp3 -- is not from 2011-02-26

Computer models to simulate the complete brain

An ambitious project to understand the functioning – and malfunctioning – of the human brain is hoping to attract major European funding. The Human Brain Project (HBP) builds on work already being done by a team at the Federal Institute of Technology Lausanne (EPFL), under the name of Blue Brain. The HBP will use everything we know about the brain to make computer models that can then be used to simulate the way it actually works. The ultimate aim is to simulate the complete brain.

China Book Fair & Duncan Toms’ Blog

Some very interesting entries and pictures in Duncan Toms’ journal about his trip to a book fair in China.

e.g., http://dtoms.com/2011/09/07/a-meeting-with-the-krishnamurti-chinese-committee/

Nice picture of Derek Dodds and Duncan Toms: http://dtoms.com/2011/09/01/second-day-at-the-book-fair/p1050116/

“This is also dissemination!”

Sai Baba Connection

Sai Baba died not long ago. According to the BBC documentary on Si Baba, "Secret Swami”, Keith Critchlow who built the Brockwood Park Center was actually a Sai Baba devotee. I met Keith and his daughter at Brockwood Park – very nice people.

What I read of Sai Baba portrayed him as a guru who enjoyed the power of having big following. K specifically asked people not to follow him. The followers of Sai Baba that I’ve known treat him as a God. His famous saying is “have no fear because I’m here”! And let’s not get into the magic tricks that are fed to people as psychic powers. A documentary revealing these tricks is on www.rezatv.com .