UG is a new age guru. I wrote about him in one of the J. Krishnamurti circulars. While J. Krishnamurti was a man of great wisdom, UG was a clown. I couldn't stand being in his room more than 5 minutes. Details to follow...
Here are a couple of stupid quotes by that madman copycat of J. Krishnamurti who succeeds at fooling gullible followers (mostly from USA) by sounding fancy but his quotes clearly show he hasn't got a clue on depth of the subject he's addressing. He also repeats a lot of what J. Krishnamurti says but I doubt he grasp their depth. Majority of his available quotes are his copying J. Krishnamurti (but not the few ridiculous ones below -- reality of what he is sometimes creeps out with statements like these, as exceptions from directly quoting J. Krishnamurti.
"The questioner is nothing but the answer." [Reza Ganjavi: Another false statement by UG. So if I ask what time is it, I am nothing but 3 o'clock! :) ]
"You Live in misery and die in misery." [Reza Ganjavi: He's probably talking about himself :) It's a false statement, it can't be proven to be true, and it can easily be proven to be false. Have you ever known anyone who died beautifully, peacefully? ]
“Don't follow me, I'm lost.” [Reza Ganjavi: Exactly you are!! - contrast that with J. Krishnamurti who said to me in person, as he told several others, don't follow me, not because he was lost but because he wanted every person to be light to oneself and find things out first hand.
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UG Krishnamurti (not to be confused with J. Krishnamurti) was one of the most confused people ever. I met him and know this first hand. He lived and spread confusion and to quote himself "bullshit"! He was the king of bullshit. Occasionally he copied some ideas from J. Krishnamurti, like the quote above, whom he was very jealous of because JK had substance and UG had none.
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From a Facebook exchange on UG:
UG Krishnamurti (not to be confused with J. Krishnamurti) was one of the most confused people ever. I met him and know this first hand. He lived and spread confusion and to quote himself "bullshit"! He was the king of bullshit. Occasionally he copied some ideas from J. Krishnamurti, like the quote above, whom he was very jealous of because JK had substance and UG had none.
What I said about it applies to most of his work and life. He even admitted how confused he was. More here: https://www.rezamusic.com/writings/law-ethics/spiritual-cults-frauds/ug-krishnamurti
JK was not a guru and I'm not his follower. I also disagree with some of the things he's said. Here's what some people you have heard of have said about JK: https://www.rezamusic.com/writings/on-j-krishnamurtis-work/jiddu-krishnamurti-references-compiled-by-reza-ganjavi
Simon Pritchard, in that short article he tries to put JK in a box - he keeps referring to JK's path because the author is conditioned to think in terms of paths. JK offers no path. That's hard for the conditioned traditional mind to grasp.
Simon Pritchard, I have an issue with this "sixth stage" of realization. How do you measure realization? Therefore it can't be compared. Again, this concept is a fabrication of the conditioned mind and limited tradition that likes to think in terms of degrees.
Roy Whenary, That's interesting Roy. I also saw UG in Gstaad - that upstairs apartment by the train station. He was so weird - you described him well. I felt it was a total waste of time being there. His aim seemed to be controversial - almost in a jerk manner - but I sensed no depth, no wisdom, no clarify in what he was or what he said. I guess there is a lot of creative editing that went into his books.
Dear Simon -- I went to some meetings in Gstaad where there was always a very small group of devotees of UG - most of them American - who dug his cussing and jokes and cheap shots he took at others.
"UG was a sixth stage Realizer". That's funny. Whoever made these "stages" of realization must have counted on gullible people to believe that nonsense. How do you measure realization? If you can't measure it, you can't compare it, so out the window goes these "stages".
This is not a pissing match between JK and UG K. They're in totally different leagues. I'm not a follower of JK, and UK is just a copycat of his in my view, a bootleg who managed to attract people by being controversial, and often so with use of profanity. I personally saw how he cusses and uses profanity so readily, because otherwise he has nothing of value to say. People do strange things to get attention.
You talk about his "teachings" -- what exactly did he teach which was unique and not a copy? Give us some examples.
When you say you found JK boring, of course it is when you don't understand it. I bet you'd also call Einstein boring if he runs through his math. It's ok - nothing against you. We don't all understanding everything. But, name a couple of academics who think UG is great. I can name a lot of academics who respect JK and even use his books in the university. It may be too hard for the layman, but it's not if one is patient. It took me half a book with my weak English at the time to grasp what he was talking about.
Roy Whenary, Well said Ray - but JK did that job himself -- how many times did he have to tell people not to follow him - that he's not a guru - he said it in almost every public talk - beyond that he couldn't think for people. Some people blindly followed him - they were mesmerized by his character energy charisma. . Standing next to him, I had never felt anyone with so much energy - and he was a 90 year old man - like a nuclear turbine. And strangely enough some of the closest people to him were totally clueless about what he taught because they were stuck on the personality. A distorted biographer of his
Mary Lutyens resembled it as "burning because you're too close to the sun".
UG was definitely very jealous of JK.
Roy Whenary, analogies are very limited. As I walked with him and stood by him I felt his energy which was very very strong. How can I describe it ? 🙂. I shook hands with him and he gave me a flower one day. I was very young. Here's the picture of the rose and story: https://www.rezamusic.com/writings/on-j-krishnamurtis-work/meeting-j-krishnamurti-by-reza-ganjavi
Mary L.'s biographies as well as Pupul Jayakar's are highly criticized by people much more knowledgeable than me as including outright fictions.
Chris Gray, That's interesting Chris. Did you read a whole book and stay with it patiently? Something like Think on These Things. It takes getting used to his terminology etc. - so it definitely takes patience in the beginning. A video or quotes on FB won't do. I'd give it a try with a whole book patiently, and then see... I can lend you some in PDF if you like to message me. Best Regards
Réza Ganjavi
Someone mentioned Brockwood Park (JK - not UG school in the UK) . We did a big investigation of the place. It's gone downhill bigtime. J. Krishnamurti (JK and not UG)'s foundations have gone downhill and at least the British and American one are disgrace to JK. https://www.rezamusic.com/writings/on-j-krishnamurtis-work/KFT-Mismanagement
Roy Whenary, It's an investigative report based on our interviews with over 70 people. It speaks for itself. The place is at best mediocre - sucked into mediocrity. No trace of K's energy, values, ethics, teachings. There is probably an overview / summary in the report. I was a very long and painstaking investigation and we uncovered a lot of "sugar" which hit the fan.
Roy Whenary, No it's surely not a business. I would have been paid $200,000 if I did it as billable work, but did it as a charity project - and according to the Charity Commission guideline. I was asked to get involved by people who are very concerned about the place -- former students, staff, trustees. I led the task force and did the writing but it was a huge team work.
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